tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-65024292733960891962024-03-12T19:38:21.950-07:00Alabama RootsGenealogical postings about the family of Davidson McGuire & Margaret Kelley: ancestors and descendants, drunkards and teetotalers, scoundrels and saintsPersillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-60462522511842360282015-04-08T08:54:00.002-07:002015-04-08T08:54:49.972-07:00More exciting DNA newsFound a match for McGuire DNA on the 11th chromosome.<br />
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I think.<br />
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I am still taking baby steps when it comes to genetic genealogy. I think, "Yay!" I've found a match for this brick wall or that brick wall," only to discover that it's a match by coincidence. Or my fragrant cousin who really understands gg cautions me, "It <i>might</i> be a match."<br />
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You still have to prove it using DNA triangulation or historic documents.<br />
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Well, here's one I can prove with both.<br />
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Three of the relatives in my line match one relative in another line of descent from Timothy McGuire and Mary Finney. Timothy was born about 1740 and died about 1790 in Greene County, GA. Mary Finney was born about 1740, died about 1796 also in Greene County, GA. These two are the most recent common ancestors for all three in my line and the one in other cousin's line.<br />
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I ran the DNA data for all four people through Gedmatch.com and got exact (gg-speaking) matches on the 11th chromosome. Four people--there's the triangulation, though it will be stronger when we can get another line to share test results.<br />
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My line is descended from Davidson McGuire and Margaret Kelley. Cousin's line is descended from an additional Timothy McGuire (so many Timothys...). All of this can be proved using historic documents from AL, GA, and PA.<br />
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SO...THUS...HENCE...my assertion that McGuire DNA has been found!<br />
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HURRAY!!!<br />
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Unless, of course, it's Finney DNA.<br />
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The search continues.Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-81507313004673890772015-01-21T16:15:00.000-08:002015-01-22T05:03:04.040-08:00Exciting DNA news<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: large;">Maybe we've identified some of the DNA that comes from Britta Ann Green or John L. McGuire. Maybe. But we need more cousin samples to be sure.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: large;">My fragrant cousin showed me how to create a DNA map. It can be tedious to enter long lists of numbers, but the results can be verrrrrrrrry interesting. In essence, you create a database with chromosome start and end locations and compare matching centiMorgans and SNPS. Numbers that are similar to each other likely indicate that the chromosome is inherited from the MRCA (most recent common ancestor). The more distant cousins (3rd - 8th) who take part, the more you can triangulate and hone in on those pesky buggers.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: large;">The tools on GEDmatch.com are the easiest to use. I think it took me five minutes to upload my data from Ancestry and FtDNA.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: large;">We've uploaded at least a dozen kits from our branch of the family to GEDmatch. This is great, but what it tells us is that we're all closely related. Luckily a fourth cousin descended from Britta and John recently uploaded a kit.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: large;">Hooray!!!! Thank you!!!!</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: large;">By comparing which chromosomes match with ours, we can start to find Britta and John's DNA. If we can find Britta's DNA, we may be able to find her mother using mitochondrial DNA. So exciting!!!!</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: large;">I've found spots on two chromosomes that seem like a pretty close match. I will not go out on a limb and say that this is Britta or John's DNA. What I will say is that if we can get a few more distant cousins to upload to GEDmatch, we might be able to triangulate and prove in a statistically meaningful way that this is definitely Britta's/John's DNA.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: large;">This method allowed us to break through a brick wall and prove that Polly Pinson Peters was indeed born a Dennis.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: large;">When Britta died in 1919, she was survived by 104 living descendants. Any cousins out there got a DNA test—and a sledgehammer????</span><br />
<br />Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-1439904997434477832014-12-04T15:56:00.001-08:002014-12-04T15:56:52.036-08:00More about Eliza McGuire, wife of TimothyIt's been a while since I've posted here. Life happens.<br />
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Onto the good news:<br />
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According to Tochter5, one of my McGuire correspondents, DNA evidence has proved that "E. E." Elizabeth Eliza Louisa, wife of Timothy McGuire, was indeed the daughter of Benjamin Wilson of Shelby County, AL.<br />
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It was most generous of Tochter5 to share that information, especially as her original theory about Eliza's identity differed from mine. But having met her, I can vouch that she walks the research walk and is willing to change her trees based on new and proved information.<br />
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There's no link to a source because she sent me the word via email.<br />
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Luckily there's more information on Benjamin Wilson and his family here from Donna Causey at Alabama Pioneers:<br />
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http://alabamapioneers.com/tag/shelby-county/page/3/#sthash.q32Jq5NS.dpbs<br />
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Two notes:<br />
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1. ALPioneers lacks the information that Eliza was a daughter of Benjamin Wilson and Hannah Harless.<br />
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2. Today many people think that Elizabeth and Eliza are the same name. Indeed, they both stem from the name "Elizabeth." But people in the 1800's considered them two different names. This is at least the third family I've encountered with both an "Elizabeth" and an "Eliza" who are different people.<br />
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Isn't it nice when your theories prove correct??<br />
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Happy hunting!<br />
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<br />Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-84004444993470297452013-05-20T18:18:00.001-07:002013-05-20T18:21:56.150-07:00Some thoughts about John L. McGuire<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">1. John L. was named for an unknown family McGuire family member. Margaret's Kelley family had no Johns that we know of, while in Davidson's family there are several other Johns (son of Isaac McGuire and son of Timothy and Mary Phinney/Finney McGuire) and at least one other John L. (son of Thomas McGuire and Margaret Hayes; lived in Marion County, AL).</span><br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;"><br /></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">2. What the "L" stands for, nobody knows. One family tree by a researcher I respect has "LeTerpsey" as a possibility, but it's just a suggestion. There's no proof. And if my middle name were "LeTerpsey," I'd use just the middle initial, too. </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Another possibility—but again, no proof—is that John's middle name was "Len." His daughter Mary Drusilla named her first son "Len Franklin." John's other surviving children, Ellen and Stephen, both had sons named "John," but not with the middle initial "L."</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">3. A sad fact here:</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Several of John's in-laws and children named their offspring "John." For example:</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• John H. McLaughlin, son of William H. and Mary Jane McGuire McLaughlin</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• John McLaughlin, son of Joseph and Alsy McGuire McLaughlin</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• John Walter Hill, son of Ellen McGuire and William Hill</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• John T. McGuire, son of Stephen Douglas McGuire and Ada Wilson</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Yet, in a family that used the same names over and over, none of this couple's in-laws or children named their female offspring "Britta Ann." Makes you wonder what she was like....</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">4. The 1850 and 1860 Censuses in which John appears both put his birth year as 1833. Assuming that's true, he does not appear in the 1830 U.S. Census for AL, but there are three males younger than 10 (Timothy, James, and Charles). In the 1840 U.S. Census for AL, there's one male 5 - 10 (John L., 7) and three males 10 - 15 (Timothy, James, and Charles). By 1840 John L. had lots of younger sibs, too. (Sarah, Alsy, Robert, Hiram K., and maybe Emily)</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">5. John L. was a middle child. According to several websites, middle children play off the attributes of older siblings. See this article from Parents.com:</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">http://www.parents.com/baby/development/sibling-issues/how-birth-order-shapes-personality/?page=3</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Since they must negotiate for attention, middle children may be very diplomatic. On the other hand, feeling that the older children get all the positive attention, they may rebel and seek friends outside the family. John L. seems to have been the latter type, though he may have been tight with his brother Charles. </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">I base this conclusion on several facts:</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• 1851: </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Fighting and beaten at age 18 in Shelby County </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• 1852: Joining Mt. Hebron Church at age 19 to make amends</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• 1854: Marrying Britta Ann Green, an outsider who seems to have come from nowhere</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• 1854: Being excluded from Mt. Hebron in 1854 for swearing. No record of ever returning</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• 1854 - 1860: Giving his children names that do not run in his family, even though most of his siblings did</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• 1860: Having $50 on hand for the 1860 Census. It was not unusual for children to get their inheritances early; and this would explain why John L. is not mentioned in W.H. McLaughlin's 1867 notes on distributions from Davidson's estate. </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">6. I believe that John L. was tight with his brother Charles. They were only four to five years apart in birth order, and Charles was the brother closest in age to John L. I base this theory on several facts:</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• John got married just days after Charles. </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• In <i>Leeds, Her Story</i> a soldier reminisces about the 18th AL and mentions "John and Charlie McGuire" in the same breath.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• John and Charles served together in the 18th AL Infantry. </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">7. That's all for now, folks. </span><br />
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Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-67330937244738877602013-05-03T18:59:00.000-07:002013-05-03T18:59:47.850-07:00The mysteries of Mary Drucilla<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Mary Drucilla McGuire was born October 22, 1858, probably in Leeds, AL. She was the second child and second daughter of John L. McGuire and Britta Ann Green.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">We think. </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">MYSTERY # 1:</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Family trees usually list Mary Drucilla as the daughter of Britta and John. Certainly everyone in my line assumes that she was Britta's daughter, and I've never heard otherwise from anybody. But her death certificate records Georgia Smith as her mother. See here:</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDFL-N14</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">A Smith family <i>did</i> live near the McGuires in the 1860 Census. I've spent years investigating whether or not John L. hanky-pankied with their daughter nicknamed Georgia, but so far have found <i>nada</i>.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">So...</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Let's for the moment assume that Mary is Britta's daughter.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">MYSTERY # 2:</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Why was she named Mary Drucilla? </span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">The "Mary" part is easy. Britta Green's older sister—or possibly (but not likely) mother—was named Mary. But why the name "Drucilla"?</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Three theories make sense:</span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• "Drucilla" is a family name. It has certainly carried down our family line, even to the current generation. </span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• Mollie was named for neighbor Drucilla Ragsdale. </span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">• Britta just liked the name. </span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">None of Britta's surviving children are named for people in John L.'s family. This is odd, considering how both the McGuires and the Greens used the same names generation after generation. So I'm guessing that Britta decided to name this child after her good friend, Drucilla, the doctor's wife.</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">MYSTERY # 3</span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Why did 12-year-old Drucilla live with the Hayden family as a domestic servant in Randolph, Bibb County, in 1870? Both siblings Ellen and Douglas were living with mother Britta and step-dad Mike Flynn in Randolph. If the family needed money, why didn't Ellen live with another family as domestic help, too? </span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">What in the heck did Mary Drucilla see in Simmin Aaron Edins anyway???? He drank and he shot people. He went to jail for it. I don't see it, but of course, she didn't ask my opinion. I wasn't even born yet. Her early marriage to a tough, tough man eight years her senior suggests that she would have done anything to get out of a bad home situation. </span><br />
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Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-87744006811306145542012-06-22T19:50:00.003-07:002012-06-22T19:50:52.421-07:00Family character: ultimately hopeful<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">Despite the lack of recent postings here, I have been blogging about the family. Just different branches—at ALRoots2.blogspot.com about the Eddinses and ALRoots3.blogspot.com about the Greens and McKinneys.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">The more I learn about this family, the more it hits me how scrappy and even dysfunctional parts of the family have been. Mental illness. Addiction. Assault and battery. Even a murder or two. Recent generations have been scarred by this family heritage.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">The data makes me wonder about family patterns and inherited tendencies. It also makes me proud of our tenacity and ability to overcome odds against us.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">you'll see that that Mt. Hebron congregation was very forgiving and wanted only for its members to shape up and return. Davidson was undoubtedly warned and ultimately shunned. Eventually—and probably through Margaret's influence—Davidson was reunited with the church. But he was away a long, long time. </span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">John L.'s daughter Mary Drucilla McGuire married Simmin Aaron Edins/Eddins, a man known for drunkenness. He got so drunk his buddies would clap him on his horse and slap the horse's rump to send them home. The horse knew the way. Sad. He served prison time for assault and actually did much worse. Sadder. Simmin died thinking he was a member of his church. Unh-unh. He was so mean that he'd been excluded but nobody had the guts to tell him. Saddest.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">Simmin's drinking disgusted his daughter Lizzie (Rebecca Elizabeth). She never touched a drop. However, she married a silent man who told their first born to be quiet when the child was crying at night from "just" an earache. Turned out to be a fever that killed the child. Thomas, her husband, took the three-year-old's body out into the church field and buried it. Lizzie never knew where that child was buried. Most saddest.</span></span><br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">The current generations have seen their share of inherited problems. Addiction, mental illness, assault and battery, autoimmune disease, jail time. But I have to say, we show courage, too. Lots of courage! Getting help. </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Fighting back. </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Letting the past go.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;"> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Overcoming the odds.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;"> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times, 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: large;">Sticking with it. Learning and progressing. Not every branch, and not every one. But enough. Enough to keep our lines learning, adapting, and continuing. </span>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-31393778117072155652011-06-09T17:12:00.000-07:002011-06-09T17:37:50.400-07:00Mt. Hebron Baptist Church membersIn 2008 I visited Samford University, Birmingham, AL, with my cousin. I was delighted to find microfilms of the original church records from Mt. Hebron Church, Leeds, AL. This is where Davidson, Margaret, Mahala, Eliza, John L., and other McGuires worshipped. At least, they worshipped there at some point. Davidson was kicked out once for overimbibing, but was readmitted. John L. was kicked out for swearing, and there's no record of him going back. Nice. <br /><br />Mt. Hebron Church is about six miles south of Leeds, AL, on Route 119. Now that we've pinpointed Davidson's land as just outside the center of town near the current LeHigh Cement company, it's possible to estimate how long it took them to get to church. If one accepts the published rule of thumb that a loaded carriage can go four to six miles an hour, Davidson and Margaret had to drive one hour to church, give or take a few minutes. <br /><br />A bit later I transcribed the membership list, thinking to post it online to help others who have helped me. Duh. Three years later it's finally getting posted. Better late than never, I guess. <br /><br />The list is transcribed as written, spelled, and capitalized. The names are grouped together in bunches of about 10 for ease of reading. There were no extra line spaces in the original book. <br /><br />I transcribed this list from copies of microfilms, which themselves were copies. There are probably mistakes, but at least it's a good start. As always, please use this list as a starting point for your own research and prove it, prove it, prove it!<br /><br />Here's the list:<br /><br />February the 10th, 1825<br />Names of the members that was at the Constition of Hebron Church (in pencil) 1819<br /><br />1. John Pool<br />2. Huldah Pool<br />3. James Herring <br />4. William Pool<br />5. Nancy Wyatt<br />6. Thomas McAdams<br />7. Mary McAdams<br />8. Nancy Howard *<br />9. Job Mason<br />11. Jonathan Dunham<br />12. William Dunham<br /><br />The following members has been added since the Constitution<br /><br />13. Joseph Ray<br />14. James Hathorn<br />15. Flora Neal<br />16. Isaac Foreman<br />17. Frances Foreman<br />18. Thomas Fant<br />19. James Chaney<br />20. Elizabeth Chaney<br />21. John McDonald, Sen.<br />22. Rachel McDonald <br />23. Henry Cox<br />24. Jane Cox<br />25. Alexander Godwin<br /><br />26. Sister Godwin<br />27. Kiziah McLaughlin<br />28. Allen McDonald ?<br />29. Phebe McDonald<br />30. Jesse Sparks<br />31. Mary Sparks<br />32. Thomas Cox<br />33. Hannah Whitfield<br />34. William White<br />35. Melinda D. Cox<br /><br />36. William McCain<br />37. Margret McCain<br />38. William Ray<br />39. Nancy Ray<br />40. James Wyatt, Sen.<br />41. Anna Ray (MN Wyatt)<br />42. William Dunham<br />43. Mary Dunham<br />44. William Wyatt<br />45. Sarah McGuire, Sen. <br /><br />46. Mitchell Pool<br />47. Susan Herring<br />48. James Armstrong, Sen. <br />49. Susan Armstrong, Sen.<br />50. Bob, a servant<br />51. Anthony, a servant<br />52. Andrew McCain<br />53. Margaret McCain<br />54. Robert McCain<br />55. Jane P. McCain<br /><br />56. Abraham Nations, Sen.<br />57. Rebecca Nations, Sen.<br />58. Ann Hardin<br />59. Isaac, a servant<br />60. Lacy, a servant<br />61. Mary, a servant<br />62. Dorcas Townsend<br />63. Anna McLelon (?)<br />64. Thomas McLelon (?)<br />65. Susan Townsend<br /><br />66. Nancy Oliver (MN Drummond)<br />67. James Loven?<br />68. Thomas Loven?<br />69. William ? Robinson<br />70. Sarah Loven ?<br />71.?<br />72. John, a servant of Jas. Cameron<br />73. John, a servant<br />74. Mary McLelon ?<br />75. Joseph Neal<br /><br />76. Esther Neal<br />77. Mahaley Worthy<br />78. Rose, a servant of Wm. Watson<br />79. William Oliver<br />80. Jane McLenden (same as McLenon?)<br />81. Nancy Robtson ? (MN Butler)<br />82. Margaret McDonald (MN McClung)<br />83. Alexander Langley<br />84. Anna Mason<br />85. Pattey, a servant of R. S. Shepherd?<br /><br />86. Ann Jones<br />87. Susan Harris<br />88. Wiley Wyatt?<br />89. Elizabeth Hutchingson<br />90. Sarah, a sevant<br />91. Billy, a servant of John McDanal (can’t read) ?<br />92. Sally, a servant of Tidwell?<br />93. Pero, a servant?<br />94. Primus, a servant <br />95. Lewis, a servant<br /><br />96. Anna Hutchingson<br />97. Allen Herring<br />98. Jesse Wyatt<br />99. Mary Masewater?<br />100. Sarah M. Cameron<br />101. Winney, a servant ?<br />102. Stephen, a servant of J. Wilder ?<br />103. Jerry, a servantof Jordan ?<br />104. Louiza, a servant of Jones <br />105. Thomas Carroll<br /><br />106 Ann Carroll<br />107. Emily, a servant of Wm. Cameron <br />108. Asa Wyatt (next door to Timothy McGuire, James Herrin, and Allen McDonald in Jeff. Co. in 1840. Also Peyton Worthey, Mitchell Pool, Bailey, etc. http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8057&iid=ALM704_6-0097&fn=Asa&ln=Wyatt&st=d&ssrc=&pid=1948406) <br />109. Cintha Wyatt<br />110. Falby McDonald<br />111. John Glison<br />112. Harbard Suggs (maybe related to harbert T. Sugg in MS in 1850?) (Could be the same as Harbard Sugg in either Franklin or Fayette Counties AL in 1840) (1830 either Bedford, TN, or Franklin, AL)<br />113. Rebecca Suggs<br />114. David McDonald<br />115. John McDonald, Jr. <br /><br />116. Eliza Cox (MN Wood)<br />117. Annie Cameron<br />118. Thomas Lowery<br />119. Martha Lowery<br />120. Louisa McDonald (MN McDanal)<br />121. Mary McDonald (MN Hawkins)<br />122, Abram, a servant of R. S. Shepherd<br />123. Ned Potter (free colored)<br />124. John Lowery, Sr.<br />125. Nancy, a servant of Shepherd<br /><br />126. William, a servant of J. A. Given<br />127. Crofford, a servant of R. S. Shepherd<br />128. Jim a servant of R. S. Shepherd<br />129. Esther, a servant of R. S. Shepherd<br />130. Robert G. Cox<br />131. Daniel. P. White<br />133. Polley Ann White (MN McDanal)<br />134. Peter, a servant of John McDanal)<br />135. Mark, a servant<br /><br />136. William H. McDanal<br />137. Ellis, a sevant of R. S. Shepherd<br />138. Peyton Worthy<br />139. Sarah Worthy<br />140. Martha Worthy (MN White)<br />141. Mary Worthy<br />142. John P. Herring<br />143. Hester Herring<br />144. Lewis W. Herring<br />145. James Armstrong, Jr. (In Shelby COunty in 1850: http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama.Shelby.Not+Stated.134)<br /><br />146. Nancy Wilburn<br />147. Joel Harris<br />148. Anna Harris<br />149. Henry Widimon, Sen. <br />150. Levi Armstrong<br />151. John Nations (Walker County, AL. 1830; St. Clair County, AL, 1840)<br />152. Lucinda Nations<br />153. William C. McLaughlin??<br />154. ?<br />155. Moses Wyatt<br /><br />156. Abrahm Nations, Sen.<br />157. Rebecca Nations, Sen. <br />158. Fieldin Waldrop<br />159. John McDanal, Sen. <br />160. George Whitfield (married Mary Kendrick in Shelby County in 1841. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=0&f7=&f6=whitfield&sx=&f12=&f13=&f17=&f16=&rg_f18__date=1840&rs_f18__date=20&f19=&gskw=&prox=1&db=almarriages_ga&ti=0&ti.si=0&gl=&gss=IMAGE&gst=&so=3)<br />161. Mary Whitfield<br />162. William Whitfield<br />163. Lemuel Faulker<br />164. Destimony Falkner<br />165. Isaac McLaughlin<br /><br />166. John McLaughlin (1830 Shelby County, AL: http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8058&iid=ALM19_2-0506&fn=John&ln=McLaughlin&st=d&ssrc=&pid=1824889) (1840 Shelby County, AL: http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8057&iid=ALM704_14-0109&fn=John&ln=Nations&st=d&ssrc=&pid=1328270)<br />167. Margaret McLaughlin<br />168. Elizabeth Nations<br />169. H. B. Moor<br />170. Jensey Moor<br />171. Amy Moor (MN McLaughlin)<br />172. Hezekiah Moor, Jr.<br />173. Joseph Moor<br />175. Elizabeth Kelley--this is probably after 1836, when the Sr. Charles Kelley has died, or else he’d be listed here, too.)<br /><br />176. John Kelley<br />177. Davidson McGuire (This happened in April, 1835, according to the notes)<br />178. Margaret McGuire<br />179. Kutha Suggs<br />180. Jesse Howard<br />181. Sister Howard<br />182. Briant Herring<br />183. Daniel McDonald<br />184. Daniel Hillburn<br />185. Nancy Herring<br /><br />186. Mahaley Armstrong (Probably Mahala Kelley, daughter of Charles Kelley & Elizabeth Howard)<br />187. Rebecca Whitfield<br />188. Sarah C. Whitfield<br />189. Rose, a servant of not ? Hayse<br />190. Alsey, a servant of Jemy McDanal<br />191. Julia, a servant of C. Thompson<br />192. Nancy E. White<br />193. Mary, a servant of B.White<br />194. Pattey, a servant of B. White <br />195. James Kendrick<br /><br />196. Frances Kendrick<br />197. Sarah J. Moor (MN McGuire)<br />198. Elizabeth Moor<br />199. Permelia, a sevant<br />200. Isaac Herring<br />201. Isaac McGuire<br />202. Sarah McLendon<br />203. Tabitha McLendon<br />204. James McDonald<br />205. William B. Herring<br /><br />206. Amanda Herring (MN Bass)<br />207. Thomas C. Crocker<br />208. Katharine McDonald<br />209. Giles Hollingsworth<br />210. Mary Holingswroth<br />211. Demus Ray<br />212. Andrew McDanal<br />213. Geroge, a sevant of R.S. Shepherd<br />214. Caleb, a sevant of Jemy McDanal ?<br />215. Eli Adkins<br /><br />216. Frances Adkins<br />2217. Eliza, a sevant of W. Gilbert<br />218. Shackleford’s sevants dismissed<br />219. Rebecca McLendon<br />220. Amos Hutchingson<br />221. William Chennault<br />222. Nancy Chennault, Sen.<br />223. Fancy ?, a sevant of Jas H. Neal<br />224. Dolley, a sevant of Mrs ? Kirk?<br />225. Jef ? , a sevant of Beavers<br /><br />226. Clary, a servant of Hutchinson, 227. Jane, a sevant of Wm. Oliver<br />228. Martha Lawley<br />229. Sarah Roberson<br />230. Mary Nutt<br />231. Phebe Mize<br />232. John Chennault, Sen.<br />233. Reubin Bowlin<br />234. Thomas B. Bagwell<br />135. John B. Obarr<br /><br />136. Nancy Chennault, Jr. (MN Lowery)<br />237. ?<br />238. Samuel Thompkins<br />239. Eliza Thompkins<br />240. Isaac Howard<br />241. Marth Howard<br />242. Melinda Howard<br />243. Nancy Redding<br />244. Mary Armstrong (MN Bragg)<br />245. Lucinda Armstrong (MN Wilbrun)<br /><br />246. Thomas Worthy<br />247. Lodema Pool (MN Sea??)<br />248. Priscilla Pool (MNMcLaughlin)<br />249. James Wyatt, Jr. <br />250. William Smith<br />251. Sister Smith<br /><br />Resolutions & quarys & Rules altered<br /><br />252. Eda Jacket or Sacket<br />253. Ursula, a sevant of Mrs. ? Hays<br />254. William Cain<br />255. Icey/ Bricey? McLendon<br /><br />256. Felix G. Smith<br />257. Mary Smith<br />258. John Watson<br />259. Elizabeth Smith<br />260. Benjamin Smith<br />261. Sister Watson<br />262. Margaet Watson<br />263. Robert Kelley<br />264. Alexander Watson<br />265. Martha Isbell<br /><br />266. William Watson<br />267. Bufford Moor<br />268. Alva H. McDonald<br />269. Melvina I. McDonald (MN Byers)<br />270. Elizabeth M. Pool (married Robert B. Jones)<br />271. Timothy McGuire<br />212. Mary A. Wyatt<br />273. J. J. Byers<br />274. Elizabeth Herring<br />275. John R. McDanal<br /><br />276. Rebecca Hall<br />277. Henry Lowery<br />278 France Marion Hall??<br />279. James J.? Wyatt<br />280. Eliza Pool<br />281. Fr. Marion McDanal<br />282. Nathan McDanal<br />283, Elizabeth McDanal, Sen.<br />284. Elizabeth McDanal, Jr.<br />285. Anna Kelley (This is October 1849, as mentioned in the notes)<br /><br />286. Isaac M. Pool<br />287. Napoleon McDanal<br />288. Lucinda McLaughlin<br />289. Marion McLaughlin<br />390. Bradley White<br />291. Samuel Wiles White<br />292. Nancy Glass<br />293. Alford M. Jones<br />294. Reuben Rodgers<br />295. Alexander Hall<br /><br />296. Elizabeth Hall<br />297. Jeremiah W. McDanal, Jr.<br />298. James A. Moor<br />299. Henry Smith White<br />300. Mahaley McGuire (daughter of Davidson & Margaret McGuire. This is prior to 1850, as she was in parents’ household)<br />301. Martha Jane Hardin (MN Kelley)<br />302. Margaret C. Harden (MN Godwin)<br />303. Martha Jane Byram<br />304. Soophrona McDonald<br />305. Mary Caroline Byers (MN Moor)<br /><br />306. Martha Mary Moor<br />307. Wilburn Little<br />308. Henry Little, Jun.<br />309. Caroline Hutton<br />310. Maryann Lowery<br />311. Sarah White<br />312. Charles Kelley (son of Charles Kelley, Sr. This is October 1849)<br />313. Esther White<br />314. Jane Whitfield<br />315. Raiborn Wyatt<br /><br />316. Jane White (MN LIttle)<br />317. Marion Lowery<br />318. Eve, a sevant of Phebe McDanal<br />319. Phebe, a sevant of R. S.Sheperd<br />320. ??<br />321. James K. Byers<br />322. Arena (Ary) Byers<br />323. Mary McDanal, Sen.<br />324. Reuben, a sevant of R. S. Shephed<br />325. Lige, a sevant of N. McDanal<br /><br />326. Z. W. H. Acton<br />327. Zilpha Acton<br />328. Elizabeth Bragg<br />329. Moren Bragg<br />330. Lanzalot Armstrong<br />331. Sarah Armstrong<br />332. Garland Jones <br />333. Willa Jones<br />334. Sarah Jones<br />335. Nancy Jones<br /><br />336. Nicholas Hardin<br />337. William Acton<br />338. Elilzabeth Acton (his wife)<br />339. William Howard, Sen.<br />340. Hiram Armstrong<br />341. Green Berry Armstrong<br />342. Eliza E. McGuire<br />343. Elbert Armstrong<br />344. Pinckney Bass<br />345. Amanda Herring (wife of L. W. H.)<br /><br />346. Lucyann Armstrong<br />347. Nancy White, Jr.<br />348. Sarah Lowery<br />349. Leonard Burrus McDonald<br />350. Eliza, a servant of R. S Shepherd<br />351. David Overton, Sen.<br />352. Samuel P. Byers<br />353. John Lowery<br />354. Mary Lowery, Jno’s wife<br />355. Jane H. Oliver<br /><br />356. Anna Olive<br />357. Manson Glass<br />358. Margeret Lesley<br />359. John McGuire (son of Davidson & Margaret McGuire. This is on October 5, 1852)<br />360. Rachel McDonald<br />361. Elizabeth Byers or Byram<br />362. Mary, can’t read<br />363. Jefferson Weaver<br />364. Milly Lesley<br />365. Sarah Lowery<br /><br />366. John Robert Goodwin<br />367. Colon Goodwin<br />368. Evan E. Moor<br />369. John J. McDanal<br />370. Mary L. Inzer<br />371. Macy C. Inzer<br />372. M. L. Inzer<br />373. Nancy Inzer, his wife<br />374. WIlliam M. Inzer<br />375. Iva, a servant of Isaac Johnson<br />376. Rebecca Howard<br />Demira Armstrong<br /><br />December Term 1865<br />the following names is a list of the members that now belongs to Hebron Church<br /><br />Males<br /><br />Allen McDonald<br />D. P. White<br />W. H. McDanal<br />John McLaughlin<br />W.P. Herring<br />John R. McDanal<br />Samuel P . Byers<br />Samsom Glazer<br />John D. McDanal<br />M. L. Inzer<br />John Glass<br />Robert Little<br />Joseph Byrum<br />G. B. Franklin<br />John L. Massey<br />Rayburn Wyatt<br />Isaac Loney ?<br />J. B. Elard<br />Andrew J. Ellard<br />/ McDanal<br />W. I. McDonald<br />Robert W. McDanal<br />James H. White<br />? B. McDanal<br />Wiley Carton?<br /><br />Females<br /><br />Peby McDonald<br />Susan Herring<br />Louiza McDanal<br />Mary Hawkins<br />Mary Ann McDanal<br />Mary Worthy<br />Lodema Scott<br />Nancy Lowery<br />Marthy J. Courson<br />Saphrona Ellard<br />Marthy M. Herring<br />Easter White<br />Jane Little<br />Mary McDanall<br />Elizabeth Deshazo<br />Mary Easters<br />Nancy White<br />Nancy Inzer<br />Loucinda White<br />Sarry Byers<br />Margaret Elard (dismissed)<br />Arrena Owens<br />Tennifra Glass<br />Nancy Massey<br />Casady McDana<br />Elixa M. Massy<br />Mary E. McDanal<br />Malvina Lowery<br />Mary A. Byrum<br />Julan Hollinsworth<br />Nancy Loneys ?<br />Martha McDanal<br />Nancy McDonald<br />E. C. Byrum<br />J. G. McDonald<br />Mary McDonald<br />E. A . WHite<br />E. Owis<br />Sarah Massey<br />Martha Massey<br />Avaline ? McDanal<br />Martha McDanal, ?<br />?<br /><br />(In the church records, there are notes in columns that follow each name. Below is a list of symbols that explain each note. <br />@ = Baptized<br /><br /># = Received by letter<br /><br />& = Restored<br /><br />* = Dismissed by letter<br /><br />$ = Excommunicated<br /><br />∞ -= DeadPersillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-10615313285395356722011-06-01T14:45:00.000-07:002011-06-04T20:35:09.187-07:00Davidson's land in LeedsIsn't the Internet a wonderful thing?????<br /><br />Through using books and the Internet we can now pinpoint where Davidson's land was.<br /><br />Using <span style="font-style:italic;">Family Maps of Jefferson County: Homesteads Edition</span> by Gregory A. Boyd, J.D. (Arphax Publishing Co. Www.Arphax.com), we learn that Davidson's land was located at Alabama's Twp 17-S, Range 1-E, Section 21 on the Huntsville meridian.<br /><br />Next we go to Earthpoint.us/townships.aspx. Enter the coordinates as listed above. Press "enter." You will get the latitude and longitude of the section. Next ask to fly it on Google Earth. (You may have to add the free app.) When you do, the satellite pictures focus on the requested location BY MAGIC!! <br /><br />The pinpoint is in the center of the section. Referring to Davidson's parcel on<span style="font-style:italic;"> Family Maps</span>, you can see that the parcel is to the right and just a bit lower than the pin. Which puts Davidson's land along a road along the outskirts of the big quarry and pits. This land is probably owned by the Portland Cement Company/Lehigh Cement. Lehigh Cement celebrated its 100th anniversary in 1997, according to a flyer on display at the Jonathon Bass House and Museum.<br /><br /> Why is this important?<br /><br />In 1884 James McLaughlin got Davidson's heirs to sign off on their shares so he could sell the property. Guess where James's family's land was? You got it: same section as Davidson's. Guess who's located there now, too? Yup. Lehigh Cement.Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-57975259930867085912011-05-29T15:57:00.000-07:002011-06-09T18:23:46.933-07:00Could Britta have come from St. Clair County?In short, yes.<br /><br />This trip to Alabama, I had the luck to visit the town of Leeds, where Davidson and Margaret lived, and where John L. was born. Leeds is one of only two towns in AL to be located in three counties: Shelby, Jefferson, and St. Clair. The city is located on the well-known Montevallo to Ashville stagecoach route. That's Route 411/119. I drove as far as Mt. Hebron Church, where Davidson, Margaret, John L., and other McGuires worshipped. It's about six miles south of town on the left hand side of the road in Jefferson County. <br /><br />Turning around and heading north (actually northeast) along 119, I passed Deshazo Dr. on the right, Thomas Rowan's restored Rowan Oaks house on the left; Jonathon W. Bass's lovely gingerbread house on the right, all in Jefferson County. Going through the center of town, I passed into St. Clair County when 119 became 411 again. About four miles north of town was Bethel Church on the right. <br /><br />Members earlier associated with Mt. Hebron founded Bethel Baptist Church in 1832. In fact, one of the reasons they gave for starting BBC was that that "it was too far to drive an ox cart to Hebron for services..." A quick history of BBC is located here:<br /><br />http://www.stclaircountyal.com/history/history015.shtml<br /><br />We know for a fact that Davidson's land was located near the current LeHigh Cement company. (See my recent post for the exact location and satellite image.) At the accepted rate of speed for a laden carriage and horse of four to eight miles per hour, Davidson and Margaret would have driven around an hour to get to church. It would have taken less time for them to go to BBC, but there is no proof that they ever did. <br /><br />Back to Britta. <br /><br />The first time we see her, she is living with her (probable) sister Mary Ann Green McKinney and brother-in-law J. P. McKinney in Shelby County in 1850. John P. is listed first, then Mary Ann, then all their children. Next comes Nancy Greene, 56, born NC, and finally Beauty or Britty Ann (McKinney--mistakenly). She is listed in a position usually associated with a sister of head of household and his family; she is also listed after Nancy, which may indicate that Nancy is her mother. But no family relationships are reported here.<br /><br />In every following federal census, Britta's parents are listed as coming from either NC, SC, or both. Never GA or TN. Her obit states: <br /><br />"She was a native Alabamian and was the widow of the late (B.A.?) Flynn,<br />of Gate City. Mrs. Flynn had spent practically all of her life in the<br />state- in the vicinity of Irondale and Gate City, and was very well<br />known in that region."<br /><br />According to the federal censuses, she also lived in Shelby and Bibb Counties, as well as in Jefferson. <br /><br />As far as I have been able to discover, there are no Greens or Greenes of the right ages and home states in Jefferson, Shelby, or Bibb Counties from 1850 on. There are, however, two Green families in St. Clair County who are the right ages and both partners come from either NC or SC. These are Abraham and Armetta Dill Green, and Burwell and Drucilla Jincey Crump Green. Both families have circumstantial ties to Britta, which I will explore in a future post. <br /><br />And there are always the other possibilities, for example, that Nancy Greene is Britta's mother and her husband died prior to 1850, which is why Britta and Nancy are living with the McKinneys. Or that Nancy is the girls' aunt, and their parents died prior to 1850, leaving precious few clues to their identities.<br /><br />But--is it POSSIBLE that Britta came from St. Clair County?<br /><br />Considering the short distance to St. Clair from where she lived in 1860--<br /><br />Considering the two pairs of the right ages and home states who match the profile of her parents in St. Clair at the right time--<br /><br />Yes, it's possible.Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-24351430677692609592010-07-15T19:02:00.000-07:002010-07-26T16:03:08.302-07:00More on Charles McGuire<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">My "smelly" cousin sent me a copy of Charles McGuire's first enlistment in the Confederate Army. He enlisted as a private in the "old" Company G, Alabama 5th Infantry on April 10, 1861, at Cahaba, AL. He was enlisted by C. C Pegues, a well-respected officer, who later commanded the unit. For the period of one year. Charles was discharged on June 15, 1861, at Montgomery, AL, but no reason given.</span></span><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">His father, Davidson, died in 1861. Maybe Charles went home to be with Davidson? He must have been home in November 1861, for his last son Charles T. McGuire was born in July 1862. </span></span></div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">So Barbara MS was right about the first enlistment. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">Charles must have enlisted again, because he later shows up in the Alabama 18th Company C with his brother John L. He died in an army hospital on May 24, 1863, and was buried in the Confederate Cemetery in Chatanooga, TN.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">Where are those second enlistment papers? Neither Barbara MS or my "smelly" cousin or I have been able to find them. Maybe someday. </span></span></div><div><br /></div></div></div></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-25392255195993549022010-07-12T17:41:00.000-07:002010-07-12T18:13:21.898-07:00John L's devilish advocate<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">I asked my "smelly" cousin--and I mean that in a good sense because she makes soap--if she could give credence to my assertion that John L. McGuire might have been disabled. Here's her reply:</span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">"OK now, I am just playing the devil's advocate here!"</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Don't worry, I won't get mad. I asked for your opinion.<br /></span></span></i></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br />"It certainly *could* be true. But really it is just supposition unless you find a document saying he was disabled."</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">I agree, which is why I said 'definitely maybe."<br /></span></i><br />"It's possible that he was in another unit before that one. I've seen that before. In one case, the man was discharged for a medical reason, then rejoined later with another unit. I believe I've also seen where a man just changed units. Technically, just because you can't find evidence of him being in another unit, it doesn't mean that he wasn't."</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Good point, one I hadn't considered. Please see an upcoming post about Charles to see an example of this.<br /></span></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br />"But assume he joined for the first time in 1863. There might be several reasons for this. I imagine the pressure to join wasn't as strong early in the war, as it was later when the South wasn't doing so well. Towards the end, they were taking really young men and really old ones (and probably ones who were infirm, too)."</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Yes, that fits with what I have read.<br /></span></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br />"'He had a family' wasn't a concern. Almost everybody who went to war from the South (and almost all of them did) had a family. I'm not sure how in the world they justified running off and leaving their families, but they did."</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">I just read today about a 40-year-old guy joining. Apparently age was less of an issue at that point than it is in today's professional Army. See the article below.</span></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /><br />"Maybe he was a pacifist? (Unlikely.) Maybe he was an anti-secessionist or a loyalist? (Also unlikely, but you never know.) Maybe he had some ailment that prevented him from joining earlier? Maybe he didn't want to join, but was drafted? (They started a draft in 1862.)"</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">I just found a short article about Confederate conscription in the Civil War. Here it is:</span></span></i></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></i></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">"The first Confederate conscription law also applied to men between 18 and 35, providing for substitution (repealed Dec. 1863) and exemptions. A revision, approved 27 Sept. 1862, raised the age to 45; 5 days later the legislators passed the expanded Exemption Act. The Conscription Act of Feb. 1864 called all men between 17 and 50. Conscripts accounted for one-fourth to one-third of the Confederate armies east of the Mississippi between Apr. 1864 and early 1865."<br /></span></span></i><span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Source: "Historical Times Encyclopedia of the Civil War" Edited by Patricia L. Faust</span></span></i></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></i></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span></span></span></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#FF0000;"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.civilwarhome.com/conscription.htm</span></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br />"After looking at his brothers, I thought maybe he joined after his brother Charles died in the war. But I have that date as May 1863, and John joined Feb 1, 1863. But Charles was also with Co C in the 18th, and also in Chattanooga. I can't find his service cards, so I'm not sure if he was also a guard with the Hospital or not. (John McGuire's are filed under John S McGann!)"<br /><br /></span></span></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">I already knew about the cards being filed under John S. McGann; these are in the microfilms at the BPL. </span></span></i></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">"The really odd thing to me is *where* John joined. From Cedar Grove, in Jackson county. What in the world was he doing up there?! I'm wondering if he joined that unit because that's where his brother was, and Cedar Grove was where he had to go to join that unit...? I really don't know."</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><i>That one I can answer:</i></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><i><br /></i></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000099;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><i>"Leeds began as a small farming settlement around 1828 when the Cedar Grove Post Office was opened. Once the county line of Shelby and Jefferson Counties was changed, a new post office opened in 1869 and was called Oakridge. Later, in 1884, the Leeds post office was opened. Leeds was incorporated as a town in 1887. It was named for the city of Leeds in England."</i></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><i><br /></i></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><i>http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountyleeds.htm</i></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 19px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;font-size:large;"><i><br /></i></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 19px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;font-size:large;">I still think the biggest indicator that John L. might have been disabled is that he enlisted as a hospital guard. The job was one of the dirtiest, smelliest jobs going, and certainly not taken by the best fighting men. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 19px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 19px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;font-size:large;">More on this debate in a later post!</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 19px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" line-height: 19px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;font-size:large;"><i>Black text copyright July 2010 by ALRoots.Blogspot.com. All rights reserved. </i></span></span></div></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-48133243479405667012010-07-11T11:27:00.000-07:002010-07-11T11:50:48.442-07:00About Leeds, AL<span class="Apple-style-span" style=" -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; font-family:Times;font-size:medium;"><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">This website has concise information about Leeds:</span></span></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountyleeds.htm</span></span></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:Times;"></span></span></p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><p><a name="location"><span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Location</span></span></a></p><p><br /></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Leeds location: in central </span><a href="http://www.usacitiesonline.com/al.htm"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">Alabama</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"> about 18 miles east of </span><a href="http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountybirmingham.htm"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">Birmingham</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">. Other nearby communities include </span><a href="http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountymoody.htm"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">Moody</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">, </span><a href="http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountytrussville.htm"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">Trussville</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">, </span><a href="http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountyirondale.htm"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">Irondale</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">, Grayson Valley, </span><a href="http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountypinson-clay-chalkville.htm"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">Chalkville</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">, </span><a href="http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountycenterpoint.htm"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">Center Point</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">, </span><a href="http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountybranchville.htm"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">Branchville</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"> and </span><a href="http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountymargaret.htm"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color:#000000;">Margaret</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">.</span></p><p><br /></p><p></p></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"></span><p></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">History</span></span></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Leeds began as a small farming settlement around 1828 when the Cedar Grove Post Office was opened. Once the county line of Shelby and Jefferson Counties was changed, a new post office opened in 1869 and was called Oakridge. Later, in 1884, the Leeds post office was opened. Leeds was incorporated as a town in 1887. It was named for the city of Leeds in England. Once the railroad came into town, more growth occurred. In 1906, the Standard Portland Cement Co was opened further aiding the growth in the area.</span></span></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:Times;font-size:medium;"></span></span></span></p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><p><a name="attractions"><span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Attractions</span></span></a></p><p><br /></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Leeds is one of two cities in the State of Alabama that is located in 3 counties - Shelby, Jefferson and St. Clair Counties. The predominant land area of Leeds is in Jefferson County. St. Clair County is the next largest with Shelby County having the smallest amount of land area in that county. The other city is Waverly.</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Leeds, Alabama is a Tree City USA City</span></p></span><p></p>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-80019445342083861192010-07-10T18:50:00.000-07:002010-07-11T11:27:37.406-07:00Was John L. McGuire disabled?<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Was John L. McGuire disabled? Sounds crazy. But it's possible, even plausible. </span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Here's the short version:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">John L. McGuire joined the 18th AL Infantry Company C in 1863 as a hospital guard. If he'd been able-bodied, he'd have joined the company as a fighting man in 1861 when it was formed. Also, hospital guards were usually people who were disabled, wounded, or otherwise not fit for combat, like the men in the Union Army's Invalid Corps/Veterans Reserves. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">How did John L. become disabled? In 1851 Moses and Alphonso Johnson beat him so badly that he took them to court. The summons on file in the Shelby County Historical Society says that:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"> </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">"{Moses and Alphonso Johnson did}</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">make an assault and him the said John Maguire then and there did beat, wound and ill-treat and other wrongs to the said James Maguire then and there did to the great dameage of the said John Maguire."</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">So, was John L. McGuire disabled? </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Maybe. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">DEFINITELY maybe. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Here's the long version.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">In checking my last post about Charles McGuire, I encountered some discrepancies that jolted me, and actually caused my brain to make a very logical connection between two ancestors who fought in the Civil War. John L. McGuire enlisted in the 18th Alabama, Company C. John Hushan enlisted in the New Jersey Infantry, 7th Regiment, Company F. John L. enlisted in either 1861 or 1863 and died in a prisoner of war camp at Rock Island, IL, in 1864. John Hushan was wounded, sent to the Invalid Corps/Veterans Reserves, survived the War and died in NJ in 1883. </span></span></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">In May 2007 Jessie J. (JessieJ@aol.com) wrote me that John L. McGuire enlisted in the 18th AL Company C on February 1, 1863, at Cedar Grove. His unit was called the Cahaba Valley Rangers. But another source lists the company formation as 1861, not 1863. Which is right? Did John L join up later, or did I transcribe it incorrectly, or what?</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Several sources show that both the 18th Alabama and the Cahaba Valley Rangers were formed in 1861.</span></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></i></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">1. A</span></span></i><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">labama Her History, Resources, War Record and Public Men from 1540 to 1872 </span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">by Willis Brewer says: "{The 18th Alabama Infantry} ...regiment was organized at Auburn, Sept. 4, 1861, and the field officers were appointed by President Davis...." </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">As for the Cahaba Valley Rangers, they organized in 1861, too. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">2. The Alabama Archives show that the file for the Cahaba Valley Rangers starts in 1861 (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/findaids/v31543fm.htm) </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">3. This source about the Lowery family says that</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"> </span></span><span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Company "C" 18th Alabama Infantry - "Cahaba Valley Rangers"</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"> as o</span></span><span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">rganizing July 24, 1861 at Cedar Grove (Leeds) with men from </span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Shelby, St. Clair, Jefferson, Autauga Counties. (http://wwlowery.tripod.com/csalowery.htm). </span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">But that's a genealogy researcher, and they're not always reliable. Could this be true?</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Probably, because: </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">4. James M. McLaughlin, head honcho of the CVR, received his commission in on August 30, 1861. (http://www.archives.state.al.us/civilwar/soldier.cfm?id=134401)</span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">So both the 18th AL and Company C, the Cahaba Valley Rangers were definitely formed in 1861. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">I asked Jessie J. for the source of John L.'s enlistment yesterday, July 11, and she kindly sent this back:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">"Confederate Records:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">{John L.}...joined Feb 1 1863 at Cedar Grove, Alabama as a hospital guard. Captured at Cassville, Georgia May 19, 1864. Taken to Nashville, TN and then on to Louisville, KY. May 25, 1864 he was transferred to Rock Island, Illinois. He was placed in the prison hospital where he died. [FHL 0880596]"</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">So her source is the Family History Library Item # 0880596. While FamilySearch.org family trees aren't always documented correctly, this is a microfilm/fiche created by the United States War Department Record and Pension Office with records from the National Archives. You'll find a link here:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=300893&disp=Compiled++service++records++of++Confeder%20%20&columns=*,0,0</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">I tend to trust this information. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">So........</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">If the Cahaba Valley Rangers were formed in 1861, why did John L. wait until 1863 to enlist? First, he had a family. Second, in 1861 he was 27, older than the prime fighters of 16 - 25. Third, his social status was fairly high in that he was the son of a land owner, and maybe a land owner himself. And lastly, possibly, because he was disabled. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">There's documentary evidence to show how he might have become disabled. You may recall that in 1851 John L. was so badly beaten by Moses and Alphonso Johnson that he took them to court in Shelby County. That beating might have seriously injured him and given him a limp, a bum arm, or something that made him less than prime cannon fodder. Yet John L. was definitely able to function: the 1860 US Census for AL lists him in Jefferson County as a farmer with a growing family.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">The telling detail is that John L. enlisted as a hospital guard. The basis for this theory is my gggrandfather's John Hushan's experience in the Union Army. I'm quoting here from his Civil War records:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">"...Transferred to Invalid Corps S.O. 130, HdQtrs 3rd AC {Army Corps} August 15, 1863--*so appears on roll."</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; min-height: 16px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">The July-August muster roll goes a little further: "Transferred to invalid Corpts by order of Gen. French {Maj. General William H. French?}, SO {Special Order or Standing Order} 130 3rd AC {3rd Army Corps}, Aug 15/63, *so appears on roll."</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; min-height: 16px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">The last page of his records is a muster out roll, dated....Oct. 7, 1864. The remarks state: "Transferred Aug. 15/63, Maj. Genl French, physical disability, Vet Reserve Corps."</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">The long article about the Invalid Corps/Veteran Resrves that follows says that "those of a minor degree of physical efficiency by reason of the loss of a hand or arm, foot or leg, were assigned to Companies of the Second Battalion, to be armed with side arms only, and were to be employed in Hospitals as Cooks, Nurses, Clerks, Orderlies, &c., and as Guards to Hospitals or other Public Buildings." The article is on the website of the NJ State Library; the link is here:</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">http://www.njstatelib.org/NJ_Information/Searchable_Publications/civilwar/NJCWn1460.html</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">So, what do you think?</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Did John enlist in 1861 or 1863? Might he have been disabled?</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">So, was John L. McGuire disabled? Maybe.</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;">Definitely maybe. </span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">##########</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; min-height: 16px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; min-height: 16px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">About the Invalid Corps/Veteran Reserve Corps:</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; min-height: 16px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; min-height: 16px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">http://www.njstatelib.org/NJ_Information/Searchable_Publications/civilwar/NJCWn1460.html</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">"Under the provisions of General Orders No. 105, dated War Department, Adjutant General's Office, Washington, D. C., April 28, 1863, the organization of an Invalid Corps was authorized. The Corps was to consist of such Officers and enlisted Men of commands then in the field, as were unfit for active field service on account of wounds or disease contracted in the line of duty, as well as those who had been honorably discharged from the service by reason of wounds or disability contracted while in the line of duty; they being able and physically qualified for doing Garrison and other light Military duties away from actual field service. By virtue of the authority thus given, a large number of Officers and enlisted Men in the service, but absent from their commands, were transferred to and joined the Corps, and under the provisions of Circular No. 13, dated War Department, Provost Marshal General's Office, Washington, D. C., May 25, 1863, the Acting Assistant Provost Marshal of each State was directed to open a Recruiting Rendezvous for the Corps at or in the immediate vicinity of his Head Quarters, for the enrollment of such honorbly discharged men who desired to re-enter the service; the term of enlistment was to be for three years or during the war. Under the provisions of Circular No. 15, dated War Department, Provost Marshal General's Office, Washington, D. C., April 27, 1864, those who enlisted or re-enlisted in the Corps were to be credited upon the quota of the State, the same as other troops. The Corps was organized in Companies of two classes or Battalions - the men enlisted in or transferred to the Corps who were most efficient and able-bodied, capable of using the musket, performing Guard duty, or making light marches were assigned to Companies of the First Battalion, and were to be employed as Provost Guards, Guards in cities, &c., and were not liable to active campaigns with the Army in the field; those of a minor degree of physical efficiency by reason of the loss of a hand or arm, foot or leg, were assigned to Companies of the Second Battalion, to be armed with side arms only, and were to be employed in Hospitals as Cooks, Nurses, Clerks, Orderlies, &c., and as Guards to Hospitals or other Public Buildings. Officers desiring to re-enter the service in this branch, received their appointment and were commissioned direct from the War Department. Under the provisions of General Orders No. 111, dated War Department, Adjutant General's Office, Washington, D. C., March 18, 1864, the name of the organization was changed from Invalid Corps to Veteran Reserve Corps."</span></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 13px/normal 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div></div></div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Copyright July 2010 by ALRoots.Blogspot.com. All rights reserved. </span></span></i></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-75221878031728713902010-07-05T17:34:00.000-07:002010-07-12T18:18:25.468-07:00The life of Charles McGuire<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">First I need to say that I am not the expert on Charles McGuire. Barbara MS is. We differ on a few points. However, she is not writing this blog, and so this is my version of Charles's life. </span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Charles McGuire was born about 1828 in Columbiana or Leeds, AL, the son of Davidson and Margaret Kelley McGuire. Davidson would have been about 26 and Margaret about 20 when he was born. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">His birth position is either third or fourth child. There is no doubt that Timothy, born 1822, was the oldest. Next probably came Mary Jane, born 1824 - 1826. Then either Charles or James. If Davidson and Margaret followed the Irish-Scots naming pattern, then Charles would be their second son since Margaret was the daughter of Charles Kelley. The censuses do not provide enough definitive information, and there is a dearth of information about James. (See "The elusive James McGuire") for what is known.) </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">In the 1830 US Census for AL, Charles was one of the males 0 - 5 in the Shelby County household of Davidson McQuire. In 1840 he was one of the males 10 - 15 in the Jefferson County household of Davidson Mc Guire. </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">In the 1850 US Census for AL, Charles McGuire was 22, born AL, laborer, living with Simeon Pledger and several households down from Thomas Pledger in Saint Clair County. The Pledgers were his brothers-in-law, his sister Elizabeth Jane having married Pleasant Pledger. His aunt Nancy Kelley married a Pledger, too. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">On Sunday, January 20, Charles married Sarah Ann Hurst in Jefferson County. The bondsman/witness was William S. Earnest, a prominent lawyer and later legislator. Two days later Charles's brother John L. married Britta Ann Green in Jefferson County. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Sarah Ann Hurst was the daughter of Spencer G. Hurst and (probably) Catherine Marcum. She was born about 1834 in NC. In the 1850 US Census for AL, she is living with her parents in Saint Clair County. Please see my earlier post for more details about Sarah. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">About a year after his marriage came the land: on March 1, 1855, Charles McGuire, Patentee, bought 39.975 acres of land from John McLaughlin, Warrantee, War of 1812, in Shelby County. This was located at Twp 12 S, Range 2W, Section 30. Here is an image of the document:</span></span></div> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman; min-height: 16.0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/Image.asp?PatentDocClassCode=MW&Accession=0869%2D139&Format=SmallGIF&Page=1&Index=4&QryID=51988%2E36</span></span></p><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">He probably got a good deal on it, for he bought it from John McLaughlin, who was father-in-law to Mary Jane, Mahala, and Axy F. McGuire. It's likely that he asked for his inheritance early, for he was not mentioned at all in the 1867 partial settlement of Davidson's will. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Whatever the case, Charles and Sarah settled into the life of Alabama's small, independent farmers. Children arrived regularly. In the 1860 US Census for AL, Charles McGuire was living in Saint Clair County, AL, with housewife Sarah and sons Isaac, 4, Robert, 2, and William, 2/12. He was 32, a farmer, born AL, $400. Could read and write. We now know that they would have four sons: Isaac Winston, born 1826 - 1829, Robert J, born 1859, William Spencer, born 1860, and Charles T, born 1862. It's interesting to note that all of the boys carried McGuire first names and not Hurst first names. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Then came the war. The War. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Here I'm going to let Barbara Strength take over. The following is quoted from material she sent me:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">"I found Charles McGuire as a Private in the 5th Alabama Infantry Company F when he first enlisted in the Confederate Army. This is the web site: </span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/Personz_Detail.cfm</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman; min-height: 16.0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Later, members of this Company may have joined the 18th Alabama Regiment C. He is listed as being a member of this unit at the the following web site:</span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.archives.state.al.un/civilwar/soldier.cfm?id=115206</span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">(Note: when I checked those URLs today, the links didn't work. I'll check with Barbara and see if we can find the current, correct links.)</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman; min-height: 16.0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Charles died in a Confederate hospital in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I have been able to narrow down the information to MY Charles due to a private journal written by a nurse at that hospital. She recorded that Charles McGuire of the 18th Alabama Regiment C died today (May 24, 1863). His wife lives in St. Clair County, Alabama..."</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman; min-height: 16.0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">By the way, if you search microfilm of the general index cards or the enlistment papers, you will be disappointed. Only the front page of Charles' paperwork is recorded. I looked forwards and backward to be sure his papers were not mixed in with another McGuire. No such luck...Happy hunting."</span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman; min-height: 16.0px"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?strength::mcguire::3922.html</span></span></p><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">"The name of the nurse's journal is as follows: The Journal of a Confederate Nurse, Kate Cummings. Reference to Charles McGuire is on page 94."<br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?strength::mcguire::3923.html</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Here's some information that differs slightly from Barbara's:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">I believe that Charles McGuire joined the 18th Alabama Infantry Company C at the same time as his brother, John L., who enlisted on February 1, 1863, in Cedar Grove, a PO near or in Leeds. A survivor in </span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Leeds: Her Story</span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"> recalls that both "Charlie and John McGuire" were in his division. I have seen a date of 1861 as the organization date for this group, which called themselves the "Cahaba Valley Rangers." So maybe I made a transcrption error, or else got the date wrong. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">At any rate, the Alabama Archives list him in the 18th Alabama Infantry, Company C, here:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.archives.state.al.us/civilwar/soldier.cfm?id=133234</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">John L. enlisted as a hospital guard. I suspect that Charles was active infantry because he died in a Chatanooga, TN, hospital rather than being taken captive in Cassville, GA, like John L. Men who became hospital guards were often disabled somehow--I know this from the case of my ggrandfather who was sent to the "Invalid Corps" of the Union Army.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Back to what's "fer shure."</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Charles was buried in the Confederate Cemetery in Chatanooga, TN. Below is a link to the soldiers in that cemetery:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://oneweb.utc.edu/~commdept/Cemetery/Alabama.html</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">After Charles died, Sarah and her family stayed in Jefferson County near her McGuire in-laws. By 1866 the area of Leeds where the McGuires lived had no male heads of household named McGuire. Plenty of McGuire women married to McLaughlins. And Sarah McGuire. But no male McGuire heads of household in an area that had had plenty of them. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">My take:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">When he was alive, Charles seems to have been a good citizen. I've not found any evidence of his getting into trouble with the law--unlike his brother, John L. He worked the earth, had prominent friends, married a high class wife, bought land, saved money, bred children, and died doing his duty for his homeland. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">I like to think that he was a good big brother, too. I think John L. looked up to him. Why? First, of course, Charles had a deep love of his family as evidenced by his children's McGuire names. Second, I think John L. copied Charles. John L. married just two days after Charles. Brother James led John L. to fights and to court, but Charles led John L. to do his duty in the same infantry unit. Charles's family stayed close to the McGuires after his death, as opposed to John's wife Britta, who moved away. All signs of a good brother who watched out for his little bro. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Every family has good and not so good members. I like to think Charles was one of the good ones, like my own cousin Charles today. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Copyright July 2010 by ALRoots.Blogspot.com. All rights reserved. </span></span></i></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-60529311400398693982010-07-04T15:04:00.000-07:002010-07-12T09:29:46.944-07:00My most often cited sources<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">My most often cited sources fall into three categories: people, places, and documents. </span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">The people whose work I most often cite are:</span></span></i></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• James P. McGuire, whose knowledge about all generations of the McGuire family is encyclopedic. Jim writes sporadically but often on Genforum.com. I hope he writes a book someday. I'll be first in line with a check!</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• My aunt Jeanne Hardy Tipton, whose work on Moses D. Pinson's family broke through the brick wall of Moses's parents to find his mother, Mary Polly probably Dennis Pinson Voglin Peters. Jeanne taught me to document everything before saying "The fact is..." </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• Jessie J., who first discovered the identity of Britta Ann Green in the 1850 Census as "Beauty Ann McKinnie" in the household of John McKinnie in Shelby County. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• My lovely and sweet-smelling cousin, who is as crazy about genealogy as I am. And she makes the best soaps around at Naturalimpulse.com.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• Kay King, professional genealogist extraordinaire, whose work has helped me identify facts in other family lines. I wish you were still working, Kay.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• Along the way I'd like to thank Barbara Strength, Jim Reinier, and all the folks on Genforum.com and Ancestry.com who answer my numerous queries. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">The places I most often visit are: </span></span></i></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></i></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• Birmingham Public Library. The staff is wonderful, and there is so much information. Every time I think I have found everything relating to my family, I find a new direction or a new piece of data. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• Samford University. The repository for Alabama's Baptist Church records, especially those of Mt. Hebron Baptist Church of Leeds. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• The Huntsville Public Library. Has a copy of </span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Leeds: Her Story</span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"> that I use every time. There are many more sources there that I haven't explored, and that I haven't seen in another library. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• The Shelby County Historical Society. I would camp out there for a week if I could. Beautiful building, original documents, knowledgeable helpers. I've only begun to scratch the surface there. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Other places I haven't been but can't wait to see are Mt. Hebron Baptist Church in Leeds, the state archives. Wallace State. Bibb Courthouse. And...and...and...and....</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">The documents I refer to most are:</span></span></i></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></i></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• The partial settlement of Davidson McGuire's will and the 1884 court case re: the sale of Davidson's land at the Jefferson County Courthouse.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• The Charles Kelley Bible. A transcript can be found here:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://files.usgwarchives.net/al/shelby/bibles/bb9.txt</span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• The records of the Mt.Hebron Baptist Church at Samford University. </span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• Various documents at the Shelby County Historical Society. Their webpage is here:</span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alshelby/shelby1.html</span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">On the webpage you'll find many searchable databases such as marriage indexes, court cases, mortality schedules, and so on. You'll also find a gazillion indexes to wills, guardianship papers, censuses. </span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• The federal and state censuses and the mortality schedules at Ancestry.com. Still the best genealogy website as far as I am concerned. </span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• The message boards at Genforum.com, Rootsweb.com, and Ancestry.com. I have found so many leads and broken through so many walls there. For example, I found the husband of Susan McKinney, niece of Britta Ann Green, by reading the Lemley message board at Rootsweb.com. His middle name was Pinkney; all I knew was James P. Lemley. But he was called "Pink," so I was able to find him in several other censuses. </span></span></p><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• Family maps of Shelby, Jefferson, Bibb and St. Clair County. These books are available at the Birmingham Public Library. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Sources I can't wait to visit that will soon join my most often cited sources:</span></span></i></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></i></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">The files at Wallace State, Judge Peterson's files at the Shelby County Historical Society, the state archives.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">So many sources. So little time in AL! Sigh...</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Copyright July 2010 by ALRoots.Blogspot.com. All rights reserved.</span></span></i></div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><br /></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-31760633860581656302010-07-03T12:55:00.000-07:002013-05-13T18:13:54.983-07:00The life of John L. McGuire<div style="font: 13.0px Times New Roman; margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;">
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">John L. McGuire was probably the fourth son of Davidson and Margaret Kelley McGuire. Depends on whether you credit James as the first or the second son, or a son at all. At any rate, John L. was in the middle of the family, after Timothy, Mary Jane, James, Charles, Elizabeth Jane, and Mahala. </span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">• January 1855, aged 22 or 23: Excluded from Hebron Church, Leeds, AL, because he doesn't respond after his brother-in-law talks to him about the swearing. No record so far of his rejoining or finding another church.</span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">• May 4, 1857, age 24 or 25: Ellen Nora McGuire born</span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">• June 21, 1860, age 27: Enumerated in the 1860 US Census for AL at Elyton P.O., Cahaba Valley, Jefferson County, AL. J. L. McGuire is listed in the Cahaba Valley with his wife Britana, 26, daughter Ellin, 5 and daughter Mary, 3. He is 27, a farmer, born in AL, has $50, and cannot read.</span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">• Feb., 1 1863, age 29 or 30: Enlists in Confederate Army at Cedar Grove, Alabama, as a hospital guard. Company C, Alabama 18th. His brother Charles is in the same group. </span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">• May 19, 1864, age 30 or 31: Captured at Cassville, Georgia. Taken to Nashville, TN, and then on to Louisville, KY.</span></span></div>
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">• July 17, 1864, age 31: Dies at Rock Island prison of "pleury pneumonia." Buried in Confederate Cemetery Lot #1321.</span></span></div>
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Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-70090954279519706922010-06-20T14:30:00.001-07:002010-06-20T14:42:51.085-07:00Leeds today<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">If you are looking for information about Leeds today, you'll be interested in the following list of URLs.</span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">1. The Leeds Area Chamber of Commerce. In a lovely coincidence, the head of the Chamber is Sandra McGuire!</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.leedsareachamber.com</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">2. Demographics of Leeds today:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.leedsareachamber.com/demographics</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">3. Historic tourism in Leeds:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.leedsscenicbyway.org</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">4. The Leeds Historical Society:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.leedshistoricalsociety.org/page0.html</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">5. The Leeds </span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">News:</span></span></i></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.theleedsnews.net/</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">6. City of Leeds</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://www.leedsalabama.gov/</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Now you know. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><br /></div></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-75948860610741788152010-06-19T12:51:00.001-07:002012-09-09T18:52:02.773-07:00Davidson's neighbors and land in Leeds, AL<i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">Leeds, Her Story</span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"> has a nifty map "showing location of early settlers and date title received on land grants from the United States Government by Edward Lee Goodson and Bryant Whitmire." (To give credit where credit is due.) The base map was created in 1959 and revised in 1970. The overlay shows who lived where and when they bought their land. You can find </span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;">L:HS</span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: large;"> at many AL libraries including the Shelby County Historical Society and the Huntsville Public Library.</span></span><br />
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Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-59501553656191181012010-06-06T17:04:00.000-07:002010-07-03T19:36:49.901-07:00Flotsam and jetsam<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">"Flotsam and jetsam" is short stuff that people have told me (or I have discovered) that seem true and probably are true. Or are definitely true. For example:</span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"></span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Definitely true<br /></span></span></i><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• Some parents named two children with the same name while both were living. Davidson and Margaret had two girls both of whom went by the name of Jane. Elizabeth Jane and Mary Jane.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• The name "Eliza" is sometimes a nickname for Elizabeth and sometimes a separate, distinct name and sometimes combined with Elizabeth. Elizabeth Eliza Wilson McGuire, wife of Timothy, buried as E. E. McGuire. Eliza Helton and Elizabeth Helton, sisters. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• According to Jim McGuire, sometimes the initial in a name was just that: an initial. For example, John L. McGuire. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">• Leeds, AL, started out in Shelby County, but the county line changed after 1830, and now it is in Jefferson County. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">• Occasionally but not often white people were enumerated as black people or mulattos. Abreham Green, 1870, St. Clair County, listed as mulatto though clearly white from earlier censuses.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><i>Probably true</i></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><i><br /></i></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">• Sometimes "loose" or scandalous women were not counted in the census. Jeanne Tipton says this is the case with Mary Polly Dennis (maybe) Pinson Voglin Peters.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">• Sometimes a child would take a portion of his inheritance early. I believe this, though I have yet to prove it with a document. It would explain why neither James, Charles, or John McGuire were mentioned in Davidson's will. </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><i>Copyright July 2010 by ALRoots.Blogspot.com. All rights reserved. </i></span></div></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-86550617992493453212010-06-05T15:51:00.000-07:002010-06-19T20:07:08.548-07:00The other Davidsons<span class="Apple-style-span" style=" white-space: pre-wrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Jim McGuire, a distant relative and researcher whose work I respect immensely, points out that several collateral relatives have children named Davidson or David. </span></span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" white-space: pre-wrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">For example, there's Davidson G. B. McGuire, b. 1859, son of Thomas McGuire and Mary Webb. This would have been our DM's first cousin twice removed. In 1860 he's listed as David G. B. in Marion County, AL. I haven't found him in 1870, but according to many family trees he died in 1876. In TX?</span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" white-space: pre-wrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Our Davidson's sister Mary Polly married Timothy McGuire in Shelby County, AL, in 1819. They had a son named David, possibly Davidson, b. about 1829 in AL. This would be our DM's nephew. </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: normal; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">In the 1850 US Census for MO, David Maggaire (reads as "Magguire") is 21, born Ill (could be AL), a laborer, no money in Cooper County. Also in the household are Matilda, 18, and a cousin, Isaac Hard (reads as "Hurd"). </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"> According to some McGuire family trees, he died in 1851, but again, I have no documentary proof of this. </span></span></span></span></span></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" white-space: pre-wrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">I stand by my original statement: </span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" white-space: pre-wrap;font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" white-space: pre-wrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">As far as anyone has proved, in a family where names are passed down from generation to generation, there are many Margarets. But no one in Davidson and Margaret's "family of origin" named a child or grandchild after Davidson. </span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" white-space: pre-wrap;font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" white-space: pre-wrap; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">I still think it's sad. </span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, serif; white-space: normal; "><div><i>Copyright June 2010 by ALRoots.blogspot.com. All rights reserved. </i></div><div><i><br /></i></div></span></span></span></div></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-61626588356436533432010-06-02T18:02:00.000-07:002010-06-19T20:07:30.197-07:00The elusive James McGuire<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Who was James McGuire?</span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Good question. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">There's very little information available about him. Here's what we can prove:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">There are two males born 1825 - 1830 who show up in Davidson McGuire's household in both the 1830 and 1840 US Censuses for AL. We've already established that Charles McGuire, born about 1828, was one. So James is the other. See Fact 7 below.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">First fact: James was born between 1825 and 1830.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Fact 2: James was born in Alabama, as Davidson and Margaret McGuire never left AL. To be clear, both Davidson and Margaret were born in GA (1850 Census), but once in AL, there is no record of their ever having left. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Fact 3: James was not in the Davidson and Margaret's household in either the 1850 US or State Census for AL. So he had already left home.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Fact 4: He was still in the area in 1851 because in September of that year Moses and Alphonso Johnson are summoned to court as defendants for assault and battery on James and John Maguire (McGuire) in Shelby County. The summons is on file at the Shelby County Historical Society in Columbiana, AL. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Fact 5: This James McGuire is not the same as James H. McGuire, son of Ebenezer McGuire. Yes, James H. was born in AL, but in the 1850 US Census for MS, he is 11, in Chickasaw with his family. And he stays in MS until at least 1870.</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Fact 6: James is not named in the 1867 partial settlement of Davidson McGuire's will on file in the Jefferson County Courthouse in Birmingham. I don't see this as a problem. Children often took their portions of the estate early, before the parent's death. Neither Charles or John L. McGuire were listed in the partial settlement, and there is plenty of evidence that they are the sons of Davidson and Margaret Kelley. There is plenty of evidence that James was a son of DM and MK. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Fact 7: James is named several times in 1884 court papers related to the division of Davidson's assets. These are also on file at the Jefferson County Court House in Birmingham. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">That's the documentary evidence. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Questions that remain:</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Where was James in the 1850 Census?</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Where did he go after the 1851 fight with Moses and Alonzo Johnson?</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Did he marry? Have children?</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">When did he die?</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">More research is needed. What fun!</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, serif; "><div><i>Copyright June 2010 by ALRoots.blogspot.com. All rights reserved. </i></div><div><i><br /></i></div></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-6765675700102254232010-06-02T04:55:00.000-07:002010-06-19T21:02:36.536-07:00Various family photos. OK, one so far...<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">I really like it when people posts pictures of their ancestors. It gives me a visual sense of continuity. Here is a photo of a distant relative that I have recently found.</span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">This is a picture of William Spencer McGuire and his wife Lydia Catherine Acton. He is the son of Timothy M. McGuire and Eliza Wilson, and the grandson of Davidson McGuire and Margaret Kelley. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">Thanks to </span></span></div><h1 style="font-weight: normal; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; color: rgb(125, 43, 13); font: normal normal bold 24px/normal 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">j1235460</span></span></h1><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">at Ancestry.com, who posted the original. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;">http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/1960854/person/-1874571311/media/2?pg=32814</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><i>Text c</i><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-family:Georgia, serif;"><i>opyright June 2010 by ALRoots.blogspot.com. All rights reserved. </i></span></span></div><div><i><br /></i></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-73364916049620051172010-06-01T14:42:00.000-07:002010-06-19T20:07:50.043-07:00The life of Davidson McGuire<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">These are the facts of Davidson's life. </span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">Davidson McGuire was born between 1802 and 1804 in Georgia, probably Elberton, though I have seen no proof of this. His parents were probably Timothy McGuire, Sr., and Fanny (Frances) MNU (Maiden name unknown). By the 1820 US Census for AL the McGuires were living in Shelby County surrounded by family and soon-to-be family like the Kelleys and the Howards. </span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">According to the Charles Kelley Bible, Davidson married Margaret Kelley in December 1822, when he was 18 - 20 and she was 14. Davidson may have been married previously because his first son Timothy's birthdate is most often given as January 1822. No matter. Margaret was the wife and mother who lasted.</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In the 1830 US Census for AL, Davidson McQuire is listed in unknown townships in Shelby County. In the household are 2 males under 5 (James and Charles), 1 male 5 - 10 (Timothy), and one male 20 - 30 (Davidson, about 28). There are also two females 0 - 5 (Mary Jane and Elizabeth) and 1 female 15 - 20 (must be an error--Margaret Kelley would have been 22). </span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In April 1835 Davidson and Margaret joined the Mt. Hebron Baptist Church in Leeds, AL, "by letter," indicating that they had previously been members of another church. This information comes from the Hebron Church minutes stored at Samford Unversity in Birmingham, AL. Davidson was about 33.</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In 1839 at age 37 Davidson bought 39.95 acres of land in Leeds, Jefferson County, formerly Shelby County; the county line had changed. It was a small though normal sized lot, and apparently the only one he ever bought. You'll find a copy of the original deed of sale at this website:</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/Image.asp?PatentDocClassCode=STA&Accession=AL2640%5F%5F%2E341&Format=SmallGIF&Page=1&Index=1&QryID=72625%2E25</span></span></p><p></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In 1840 Davidson had a run-in with the morals of the church. In December he was expelled for intoxication. The record reads: "Took up the case of Bro. McGuire and excluded him for drinking to (sic) much spirits." He was about 38.</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In the 1840 US Census for AL Davidson Mc(space) Guire lived in an unnamed township in Jefferson County. In the household are seven males and 6 females. Males: two under 5 (Hiram K. and Robert), one 5 to 10 (John L.), three 10 - 15 (Charles, James, Timothy), one 30-40 (Davidson). Females: 2 under 5 (Alsy and Sarah), three 5-10 (Mary Jane, Elizabeth Jane, and Mahala), one 20-30 (Margaret Kelley). </span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In October 1849 Davidson rejoined the Hebron church and was "received by experience; Davidson McGuire, restored." Apparently this one took because he never left the church again. Margaret must have been pleased. He was about 47.</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><br /></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In the 1850 US Census for AL, Davison is 48, a farmer, has $500, born in GA. In his household are wife Margaret, 42</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">, daughters Mahaly, 18, Sarah A, 15, Alsy, 13, Emily, 10, Amanda, 8, and Martha, 6. Also listed were sons John, 17, Robert, 12, Hiram, 11, and William, 3. Davison and wife are born in GA, all ten children in AL. </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In the 1850 State Census for AL, Davidson McGuire is listed in Jefferson County. In the household are 4 males under 21 (John, Robert, Hiram, William), one male over 21, one male over 45 (Davidson), six females under 21 (Mahala, Sarah, Alsy, Emily, Amnada, Martha), one female over 21 (Margaret). Total in the household is 12. No slaves, no insane.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In 1854 Davidson wrote a note to Judge Bagley of the Probate Court giving permission for son John to wed Britta Ann Green. The note proves that Davidson could write and sign his signature rather than a mark. In part it reads: "All is willing to it (the marriage)."</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">According to the 1860 Jefferson County, AL, Mortality Schedules, Margaret died in September 1859 of typhoid fever at age 51.</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In the 1860 Census for AL, Davidson, 58, lived in the Cahaba Valley Precinct with Martha, 13, William 11, Thomas, 9, Robert F, 22, Hyrum (Hiram) K, 20, Emely 18, and Manda M., 16, Martha, 13, William H., 11, and Thomas, 9. He is a farmer with real estate valued at $900 and personal estate valued at $700. </span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">Davidson died in 1861, about two years after Margaret.Of a broken heart?</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">A partial settlement of Davidson's will is mentioned in the Partial Settlement Records of Probate Court, Book A on LDS film #1064858, beginning in 1870. Jefferson County final record of estate 1866 - 1873 Index: Davidson McGuire, dec'd, p. 281-232 (should this be 281-282 or 231-232??) Found on Jefferson County website:</span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">http://www.rootsweb.com/~aljeffer/jeffco/records.html. </span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In it his administrator W. H. McLaughlin, husband of daughter Mary Jane, lists all the heirs who are still entitled to portions of Davidson's estate. Later in 1884, James McLaughlin, brother of W.H., husband of Axey/Alsy/Ailsie/Alice, notifies all possible heirs of another matter related to Davidson's estate. </span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></span></p><p style="MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 13px Times New Roman"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:large;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">Davidson lived a long fruitful life with lots of children. He named his children after family and friends. But not one of his children named a child after him. How sad. </span></span></p><div><br /></div><p><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, serif; font-style: normal; "></span></i></p><i><div><i>Copyright June 2010 by ALRoots.blogspot.com. All rights reserved. </i></div><div><i><br /></i></div></i><p></p></span></span>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-67627294187456853872010-05-31T05:26:00.000-07:002010-05-31T05:41:56.861-07:00Confirmation of Timothy's wifeMy helpful cousin who makes such nice soaps and does good genealogy just made me aware of collections at Familysearch.org that I hadn't known about. You can find these free collections at:<div><br /></div><div>http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#r=0&p=allCollections</div><div><br /></div><div>You can find her wonderful soaps at:</div><div><br /></div><div>NaturalImpulse.com</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Returning to the Familysearch.org site, a search on Isiac (Isaac) Mcguire in the Alabama Deaths 1908 - 1974 turns up confirmation that Elizah (Elizabeth Eliza) Wilson is indeed the wife of Timothy McGuire and the mother of his brood. A search on Martha J. Norris (should be Morris) shows Martha J. as the wife of R. K. Morris and daughter of Timothy McGuire and Eliza Wilson. </div><div><br /></div><div>Such a great discovery. Thanks, cuz. I can't wait to mine this new-to-me collection for more nuggets!</div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502429273396089196.post-55423547537406072602010-05-30T13:05:00.000-07:002010-07-09T07:44:28.370-07:00Sarah Ann Hurst, wife of Charles McGuire<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">Charles McGuire was Davidson and Margaret Kelley McGuire's second or third--probably third--son. He was born about 1828 in Alabama, probably Leeds. The 1850 and 1860 US Censuses for AL are consistent in presenting 1828 as a birth year. According to the Alabama Marriage Index at Ancestry.com, he married Sarah Ann Hurst on January 20, 1854. </span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">Sarah Ann Hurst was born between June and November 1833 or 1834 in North Carolina (probably 1833), the daughter of Spencer Hurst and (maybe) Catherine. Catherine's name is usually given as Marcum. This is probably the case although I have seen no direct evidence of it. Catherine may be Spencer's first or second wife--looks like the second from the gap in children's ages in the 1850 US Census for St. Clair, AL. No matter. Sarah was definitely living with them in the 1850 Census. </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">In 1858 Spencer Hurst bought land in Alabama. The significance of this, if I remember correctly, is that the land is very close to the land bought by Davidson McGuire. It's been a while since I've checked the records, but I believe the book showing it is the Family Lands book at the Birmingham Library. The exact source another time. </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman';">So in 1850 Sarah is living with her parents in St. Clair County. In 1854 she marries Charles McGuire in Jefferson County, just two days before Charles's brother John L. marries Britta Ann Green in Jefferson County. (This pairing of Charles and John L. is significant. More on that in another post.) In the 1860 US Census for AL, Sarah McGuire, 26, is living in St. Clair County, AL, with Charles and sons Isaac, Robert, and William. He is 32, a farmer, born AL, $400. </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Charles died in a military hospital in 1863 during the war.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman">In the 1866 AL State Census Sarah McGuire is living in Jefferson County, AL. In the household are three males under 10, one male 10 - 20, one female 10 - 20 , and one female 20 - 30. Sarah would have been 33 or so, but the census taker made many age errors. Neighbors include her brother Edward Hurst and McGuire in-laws who married McLaughlins. It's important to note that she chose to stay near her McGuire in-laws after Charles died. </p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman; min-height: 16.0px"><br /></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman">In the 1870 US Census for AL, S. A. McGuire is 36, keeping house, can read and write, born NC, $100. Also in the household are sons I. W., 13, R. I., 11, W.S., 9, and C.T. 7 (Charles T.). They are living next door to the in-law McLaughlins and Waldrop and all kinds of family.</p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><br /></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman">After 1870 Sarah seems to disappear. Neither I nor anyone else seems to have found her in the 1880 US Census for AL, or any place, for that matter. She is not living with sons Isaac or William, and I can't find Charles and Robert. Barbara MS, a reliable McGuire researcher, has not found her, either. </p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><br /></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman">The likelihood is that Sarah died before 1880, but I can't prove it. However, I can prove for sure that she was dead or incapacitated by 1884. In 1884 one of the McLaughlin in-laws instigates a court case that requires notification of all living heirs of Davidson McGuire. My ggggrandmother Britta Ann Green McGuire Flynn was served, even though she had remarried. However, only Charles's SONS are served, meaning that Sarah was either dead or incapacitated by then. </p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><br /></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman">I often wonder if Sarah Ann Hurst and Britta Ann Green were friends. Their husbands Charles and John L. did things together. Maybe Sarah introduced her friend Britta to her fiancé's brother? Britta married John L. the Tuesday after Sarah and Charles got married in Jefferson County. If so, Sarah's loyalty was tested when Charles died. She remained near her McGuire in-laws while Britta moved away to be with her own family. </p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman"><br /></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Times New Roman">A hard life: married at 20, a widow at 30, and then she died young about 50, perhaps without seeing her grandchildren. So sad. </p></span></div>Persillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11662872771696352319noreply@blogger.com0