More exciting DNA news

Found a match for McGuire DNA on the 11th chromosome.

I think.

I am still taking baby steps when it comes to genetic genealogy. I think, "Yay!" I've found a match for this brick wall or that brick wall," only to discover that it's a match by coincidence. Or my fragrant cousin who really understands gg cautions me, "It might be a match."

You still have to prove it using DNA triangulation or historic documents.

Well, here's one I can prove with both.

Three of the relatives in my line match one relative in another line of descent from Timothy McGuire and Mary Finney. Timothy was born about 1740 and died about 1790 in Greene County, GA. Mary Finney was born about 1740, died about 1796 also in Greene County, GA. These two are the most recent common ancestors for all three in my line and the one in other cousin's line.

I ran the DNA data for all four people through Gedmatch.com and got exact (gg-speaking) matches on the 11th chromosome. Four people--there's the triangulation, though it will be stronger when we can get another line to share test results.

My line is descended from Davidson McGuire and Margaret Kelley. Cousin's line is descended from an additional Timothy McGuire (so many Timothys...). All of this can be proved using historic documents from AL, GA, and PA.

SO...THUS...HENCE...my assertion that McGuire DNA has been found!

HURRAY!!!

Unless, of course, it's Finney DNA.

The search continues.

Exciting DNA news

Maybe we've identified some of the DNA that comes from Britta Ann Green or John L. McGuire. Maybe. But we need more cousin samples to be sure.

My fragrant cousin showed me how to create a DNA map. It can be tedious to enter long lists of numbers, but the results can be verrrrrrrrry interesting. In essence, you create a database with chromosome start and end locations and compare matching centiMorgans and SNPS. Numbers that are similar to each other likely indicate that the chromosome is inherited from the MRCA (most recent common ancestor). The more distant cousins (3rd - 8th) who take part, the more you can triangulate and hone in on those pesky buggers.

The tools on GEDmatch.com are the easiest to use. I think it took me five minutes to upload my data from Ancestry and FtDNA.

We've uploaded at least a dozen kits from our branch of the family to GEDmatch. This is great, but what it tells us is that we're all closely related. Luckily a fourth cousin descended from Britta and John recently uploaded a kit.

Hooray!!!! Thank you!!!!

By comparing which chromosomes match with ours, we can start to find Britta and John's DNA. If we can find Britta's DNA, we may be able to find her mother using mitochondrial DNA. So exciting!!!!

I've found spots on two chromosomes that seem like a pretty close match. I will not go out on a limb and say that this is Britta or John's DNA. What I will say is that if we can get a few more distant cousins to upload to GEDmatch, we might be able to triangulate and prove in a statistically meaningful way that this is definitely Britta's/John's DNA.

This method allowed us to break through a brick wall and prove that Polly Pinson Peters was indeed born a Dennis.

When Britta died in 1919, she was survived by 104 living descendants. Any cousins out there got a DNA test—and a sledgehammer????

More about Eliza McGuire, wife of Timothy

It's been a while since I've posted here. Life happens.

Onto the good news:

According to Tochter5, one of my McGuire correspondents, DNA evidence has proved that "E. E." Elizabeth Eliza Louisa, wife of Timothy McGuire, was indeed the daughter of Benjamin Wilson of Shelby County, AL.

It was most generous of Tochter5 to share that information, especially as her original theory about Eliza's identity differed from mine. But having met her, I can vouch that she walks the research walk and is willing to change her trees based on new and proved information.

There's no link to a source because she sent me the word via email.

Luckily there's more information on Benjamin Wilson and his family here from Donna Causey at Alabama Pioneers:

http://alabamapioneers.com/tag/shelby-county/page/3/#sthash.q32Jq5NS.dpbs

Two notes:

1. ALPioneers lacks the information that Eliza was a daughter of Benjamin Wilson and Hannah Harless.

2. Today many people think that Elizabeth and Eliza are the same name. Indeed, they both stem from the name "Elizabeth." But people in the 1800's considered them two different names. This is at least the third family I've encountered with both an "Elizabeth" and an "Eliza" who are different people.

Isn't it nice when your theories prove correct??

Happy hunting!

Some thoughts about John L. McGuire

1. John L. was named for an unknown family McGuire family member. Margaret's Kelley family had no Johns that we know of, while in Davidson's family there are several other Johns (son of Isaac McGuire and son of Timothy and Mary Phinney/Finney McGuire) and at least one other John L. (son of Thomas McGuire and Margaret Hayes; lived in Marion County, AL).

2. What the "L" stands for, nobody knows. One family tree by a researcher I respect has "LeTerpsey" as a possibility, but it's just a suggestion. There's no proof.  And if my middle name were "LeTerpsey," I'd use just the middle initial, too. 

Another possibility—but again, no proof—is that John's middle name was "Len." His daughter Mary Drusilla named her first son "Len Franklin." John's other surviving children, Ellen and Stephen, both had sons named "John," but not with the middle initial "L."

3. A sad fact here:

Several of John's in-laws and children named their offspring "John." For example:

• John H. McLaughlin, son of William H. and Mary Jane McGuire McLaughlin

• John McLaughlin, son of Joseph and Alsy McGuire McLaughlin

• John Walter Hill, son of Ellen McGuire and William Hill

• John T. McGuire, son of Stephen Douglas McGuire and Ada Wilson

Yet, in a family that used the same names over and over, none of this couple's in-laws or children named their female offspring "Britta Ann." Makes you wonder what she was like....

4. The 1850 and 1860 Censuses in which John appears both put his birth year as 1833. Assuming that's true, he does not appear in the 1830 U.S. Census for AL, but there are three males younger than 10 (Timothy, James, and Charles). In the 1840 U.S. Census for AL, there's one male 5 - 10 (John L., 7) and three males 10 - 15 (Timothy, James, and Charles). By 1840 John L. had lots of younger sibs, too. (Sarah, Alsy, Robert, Hiram K., and maybe Emily)

5. John L. was a middle child. According to several websites, middle children play off the attributes of older siblings. See this article from Parents.com:

http://www.parents.com/baby/development/sibling-issues/how-birth-order-shapes-personality/?page=3

Since they must negotiate for attention, middle children may be very diplomatic. On the other hand, feeling that the older children get all the positive attention, they may rebel and seek friends outside the family. John L. seems to have been the latter type, though he may have been tight with his brother Charles. 

I base this conclusion on several facts:

• 1851: Fighting and beaten at age 18 in Shelby County 

• 1852: Joining Mt. Hebron Church at age 19 to make amends

• 1854: Marrying Britta Ann Green, an outsider who seems to have come from nowhere

• 1854: Being excluded from Mt. Hebron in 1854 for swearing. No record of  ever returning

• 1854 - 1860: Giving his children names that do not run in his family, even though most of his siblings did

• 1860: Having $50 on hand for the 1860 Census. It was not unusual for children to get their inheritances early; and this would explain why John L. is not mentioned in W.H. McLaughlin's 1867 notes on distributions from Davidson's estate. 

6. I believe that John L. was tight with his brother Charles. They were only four to five years apart in birth order, and Charles was the brother closest in age to John L. I base this theory on several facts:

• John got married just days after Charles. 

• In Leeds, Her Story a soldier reminisces about the 18th AL and mentions "John and Charlie McGuire" in the same breath.

• John and Charles served together in the 18th AL Infantry. 

7. That's all for now, folks. 

The mysteries of Mary Drucilla

Mary Drucilla McGuire was born October 22, 1858, probably in Leeds, AL. She was the second child and second daughter of John L. McGuire and Britta Ann Green.

We think.

MYSTERY # 1:

Family trees usually list Mary Drucilla as the daughter of Britta and John. Certainly everyone in my line assumes that she was Britta's daughter, and I've never heard otherwise from anybody. But her death certificate records Georgia Smith as her mother. See here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDFL-N14

A Smith family did live near the McGuires in the 1860 Census. I've spent years investigating whether or not John L. hanky-pankied with their daughter nicknamed Georgia, but so far have found nada.

So...

Let's for the moment assume that Mary is Britta's daughter.


MYSTERY # 2:

Why was she named Mary Drucilla? 

The "Mary" part is easy. Britta Green's older sister—or possibly (but not likely) mother—was named Mary. But why the name "Drucilla"?

Three theories make sense:

• "Drucilla" is a family name. It has certainly carried down our family line, even to the current generation. 

• Mollie was named for neighbor Drucilla Ragsdale. 

• Britta just liked the name. 

None of Britta's surviving children are named for people in John L.'s family. This is odd, considering how both the McGuires and the Greens used the same names generation after generation. So I'm guessing that Britta decided to name this child after her good friend, Drucilla, the doctor's wife.



MYSTERY # 3

Why did 12-year-old Drucilla live with the Hayden family as a domestic servant in Randolph, Bibb County, in 1870? Both siblings Ellen and Douglas were living with mother Britta and step-dad Mike Flynn in Randolph. If the family needed money, why didn't Ellen live with another family as domestic help, too?  



MYSTERY # 4

Why did Mary Drucilla marry so young? She was born October 22, 1858, and married in January 29, 1874, making her only 15 when she married the widower Simmin. Her sister Ellen married at age 14. Why? Did they want to escape their step-father? Or did they want to escape Britta?

MYSTERY # 5

What in the heck did Mary Drucilla see in Simmin Aaron Edins anyway???? He drank and he shot people. He went to jail for it. I don't see it, but of course, she didn't ask my opinion. I wasn't even born yet. Her early marriage to a tough, tough man eight years her senior suggests that she would have done anything to get out of a bad home situation. 

Just sayin'.... 

Family character: ultimately hopeful

Despite the lack of recent postings here, I have been blogging about the family. Just different branches—at ALRoots2.blogspot.com about the Eddinses and ALRoots3.blogspot.com about the Greens and McKinneys.


The more I learn about this family, the more it hits me how scrappy and even dysfunctional parts of the family have been. Mental illness. Addiction. Assault and battery. Even a murder or two. Recent generations have been scarred by this family heritage.


The data makes me wonder about family patterns and inherited tendencies. It also makes me proud of our tenacity and ability to overcome odds against us.


For example, there's a clear pattern of dysfunction in Davidson McGuire's family. Davidson was kicked out of Mt. Hebron Church for drinking too much. Let's face it, a lot of people drank alcohol to excess in those days; still do. But Davidson's abuse was so rampant that the church felt compelled to call him on it. If you read 

American Congregations, Volume 1: Portraits of Twelve Religious Communities by James P. Wind and James W. Lewis

you'll see that that Mt. Hebron congregation was very forgiving and wanted only for its members to shape up and return. Davidson was undoubtedly warned and ultimately shunned. Eventually—and probably through Margaret's influence—Davidson was reunited with the church. But he was away a long, long time. 


Davidson's son John L. was assaulted—for what???—and hauled into court at age 18. At 19 he joined the Mt. Hebron Church. Aged about 20 he married Britta Ann Green. Less than a year later he was cited by the church for swearing and ultimately excluded a year after he married. He never returned. 


John L. and Britta married in January 1854. Ellen Nora, their first known child, was born in 1858. One wonders why, in a family where children pop out regularly, it took four years for the first surviving child to be born....


John L.'s daughter Mary Drucilla McGuire married Simmin Aaron Edins/Eddins, a man known for drunkenness. He got so drunk his buddies would clap him on his horse and slap the horse's rump to send them home. The horse knew the way. Sad. He served prison time for assault and actually did much worse. Sadder. Simmin died thinking he was a member of his church. Unh-unh. He was so mean that he'd been excluded but nobody had the guts to tell him.  Saddest.


Simmin's drinking disgusted his daughter Lizzie (Rebecca Elizabeth). She never touched a drop. However, she married a silent man who told their first born to be quiet when the child was crying at night from "just" an earache. Turned out to be a fever that killed the child. Thomas, her husband, took the three-year-old's body out into the church field and buried it. Lizzie never knew where that child was buried. Most saddest.


The current generations have seen their share of inherited problems.  Addiction, mental illness, assault and battery, autoimmune disease, jail time. But I have to say, we show courage, too. Lots of courage! Getting help. Fighting back. Letting the past go.  Overcoming the odds. Sticking with it. Learning and progressing. Not every branch, and not every one. But enough.  Enough to keep our lines learning, adapting, and continuing.  

Mt. Hebron Baptist Church members

In 2008 I visited Samford University, Birmingham, AL, with my cousin. I was delighted to find microfilms of the original church records from Mt. Hebron Church, Leeds, AL. This is where Davidson, Margaret, Mahala, Eliza, John L., and other McGuires worshipped. At least, they worshipped there at some point. Davidson was kicked out once for overimbibing, but was readmitted. John L. was kicked out for swearing, and there's no record of him going back. Nice.

Mt. Hebron Church is about six miles south of Leeds, AL, on Route 119. Now that we've pinpointed Davidson's land as just outside the center of town near the current LeHigh Cement company, it's possible to estimate how long it took them to get to church. If one accepts the published rule of thumb that a loaded carriage can go four to six miles an hour, Davidson and Margaret had to drive one hour to church, give or take a few minutes.

A bit later I transcribed the membership list, thinking to post it online to help others who have helped me. Duh. Three years later it's finally getting posted. Better late than never, I guess.

The list is transcribed as written, spelled, and capitalized. The names are grouped together in bunches of about 10 for ease of reading. There were no extra line spaces in the original book.

I transcribed this list from copies of microfilms, which themselves were copies. There are probably mistakes, but at least it's a good start. As always, please use this list as a starting point for your own research and prove it, prove it, prove it!

Here's the list:

February the 10th, 1825
Names of the members that was at the Constition of Hebron Church (in pencil) 1819

1. John Pool
2. Huldah Pool
3. James Herring
4. William Pool
5. Nancy Wyatt
6. Thomas McAdams
7. Mary McAdams
8. Nancy Howard *
9. Job Mason
11. Jonathan Dunham
12. William Dunham

The following members has been added since the Constitution

13. Joseph Ray
14. James Hathorn
15. Flora Neal
16. Isaac Foreman
17. Frances Foreman
18. Thomas Fant
19. James Chaney
20. Elizabeth Chaney
21. John McDonald, Sen.
22. Rachel McDonald
23. Henry Cox
24. Jane Cox
25. Alexander Godwin

26. Sister Godwin
27. Kiziah McLaughlin
28. Allen McDonald ?
29. Phebe McDonald
30. Jesse Sparks
31. Mary Sparks
32. Thomas Cox
33. Hannah Whitfield
34. William White
35. Melinda D. Cox

36. William McCain
37. Margret McCain
38. William Ray
39. Nancy Ray
40. James Wyatt, Sen.
41. Anna Ray (MN Wyatt)
42. William Dunham
43. Mary Dunham
44. William Wyatt
45. Sarah McGuire, Sen.

46. Mitchell Pool
47. Susan Herring
48. James Armstrong, Sen.
49. Susan Armstrong, Sen.
50. Bob, a servant
51. Anthony, a servant
52. Andrew McCain
53. Margaret McCain
54. Robert McCain
55. Jane P. McCain

56. Abraham Nations, Sen.
57. Rebecca Nations, Sen.
58. Ann Hardin
59. Isaac, a servant
60. Lacy, a servant
61. Mary, a servant
62. Dorcas Townsend
63. Anna McLelon (?)
64. Thomas McLelon (?)
65. Susan Townsend

66. Nancy Oliver (MN Drummond)
67. James Loven?
68. Thomas Loven?
69. William ? Robinson
70. Sarah Loven ?
71.?
72. John, a servant of Jas. Cameron
73. John, a servant
74. Mary McLelon ?
75. Joseph Neal

76. Esther Neal
77. Mahaley Worthy
78. Rose, a servant of Wm. Watson
79. William Oliver
80. Jane McLenden (same as McLenon?)
81. Nancy Robtson ? (MN Butler)
82. Margaret McDonald (MN McClung)
83. Alexander Langley
84. Anna Mason
85. Pattey, a servant of R. S. Shepherd?

86. Ann Jones
87. Susan Harris
88. Wiley Wyatt?
89. Elizabeth Hutchingson
90. Sarah, a sevant
91. Billy, a servant of John McDanal (can’t read) ?
92. Sally, a servant of Tidwell?
93. Pero, a servant?
94. Primus, a servant
95. Lewis, a servant

96. Anna Hutchingson
97. Allen Herring
98. Jesse Wyatt
99. Mary Masewater?
100. Sarah M. Cameron
101. Winney, a servant ?
102. Stephen, a servant of J. Wilder ?
103. Jerry, a servantof Jordan ?
104. Louiza, a servant of Jones
105. Thomas Carroll

106 Ann Carroll
107. Emily, a servant of Wm. Cameron
108. Asa Wyatt (next door to Timothy McGuire, James Herrin, and Allen McDonald in Jeff. Co. in 1840. Also Peyton Worthey, Mitchell Pool, Bailey, etc. http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8057&iid=ALM704_6-0097&fn=Asa&ln=Wyatt&st=d&ssrc=&pid=1948406)
109. Cintha Wyatt
110. Falby McDonald
111. John Glison
112. Harbard Suggs (maybe related to harbert T. Sugg in MS in 1850?) (Could be the same as Harbard Sugg in either Franklin or Fayette Counties AL in 1840) (1830 either Bedford, TN, or Franklin, AL)
113. Rebecca Suggs
114. David McDonald
115. John McDonald, Jr.

116. Eliza Cox (MN Wood)
117. Annie Cameron
118. Thomas Lowery
119. Martha Lowery
120. Louisa McDonald (MN McDanal)
121. Mary McDonald (MN Hawkins)
122, Abram, a servant of R. S. Shepherd
123. Ned Potter (free colored)
124. John Lowery, Sr.
125. Nancy, a servant of Shepherd

126. William, a servant of J. A. Given
127. Crofford, a servant of R. S. Shepherd
128. Jim a servant of R. S. Shepherd
129. Esther, a servant of R. S. Shepherd
130. Robert G. Cox
131. Daniel. P. White
133. Polley Ann White (MN McDanal)
134. Peter, a servant of John McDanal)
135. Mark, a servant

136. William H. McDanal
137. Ellis, a sevant of R. S. Shepherd
138. Peyton Worthy
139. Sarah Worthy
140. Martha Worthy (MN White)
141. Mary Worthy
142. John P. Herring
143. Hester Herring
144. Lewis W. Herring
145. James Armstrong, Jr. (In Shelby COunty in 1850: http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama.Shelby.Not+Stated.134)

146. Nancy Wilburn
147. Joel Harris
148. Anna Harris
149. Henry Widimon, Sen.
150. Levi Armstrong
151. John Nations (Walker County, AL. 1830; St. Clair County, AL, 1840)
152. Lucinda Nations
153. William C. McLaughlin??
154. ?
155. Moses Wyatt

156. Abrahm Nations, Sen.
157. Rebecca Nations, Sen.
158. Fieldin Waldrop
159. John McDanal, Sen.
160. George Whitfield (married Mary Kendrick in Shelby County in 1841. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=0&f7=&f6=whitfield&sx=&f12=&f13=&f17=&f16=&rg_f18__date=1840&rs_f18__date=20&f19=&gskw=&prox=1&db=almarriages_ga&ti=0&ti.si=0&gl=&gss=IMAGE&gst=&so=3)
161. Mary Whitfield
162. William Whitfield
163. Lemuel Faulker
164. Destimony Falkner
165. Isaac McLaughlin

166. John McLaughlin (1830 Shelby County, AL: http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8058&iid=ALM19_2-0506&fn=John&ln=McLaughlin&st=d&ssrc=&pid=1824889) (1840 Shelby County, AL: http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8057&iid=ALM704_14-0109&fn=John&ln=Nations&st=d&ssrc=&pid=1328270)
167. Margaret McLaughlin
168. Elizabeth Nations
169. H. B. Moor
170. Jensey Moor
171. Amy Moor (MN McLaughlin)
172. Hezekiah Moor, Jr.
173. Joseph Moor
175. Elizabeth Kelley--this is probably after 1836, when the Sr. Charles Kelley has died, or else he’d be listed here, too.)

176. John Kelley
177. Davidson McGuire (This happened in April, 1835, according to the notes)
178. Margaret McGuire
179. Kutha Suggs
180. Jesse Howard
181. Sister Howard
182. Briant Herring
183. Daniel McDonald
184. Daniel Hillburn
185. Nancy Herring

186. Mahaley Armstrong (Probably Mahala Kelley, daughter of Charles Kelley & Elizabeth Howard)
187. Rebecca Whitfield
188. Sarah C. Whitfield
189. Rose, a servant of not ? Hayse
190. Alsey, a servant of Jemy McDanal
191. Julia, a servant of C. Thompson
192. Nancy E. White
193. Mary, a servant of B.White
194. Pattey, a servant of B. White
195. James Kendrick

196. Frances Kendrick
197. Sarah J. Moor (MN McGuire)
198. Elizabeth Moor
199. Permelia, a sevant
200. Isaac Herring
201. Isaac McGuire
202. Sarah McLendon
203. Tabitha McLendon
204. James McDonald
205. William B. Herring

206. Amanda Herring (MN Bass)
207. Thomas C. Crocker
208. Katharine McDonald
209. Giles Hollingsworth
210. Mary Holingswroth
211. Demus Ray
212. Andrew McDanal
213. Geroge, a sevant of R.S. Shepherd
214. Caleb, a sevant of Jemy McDanal ?
215. Eli Adkins

216. Frances Adkins
2217. Eliza, a sevant of W. Gilbert
218. Shackleford’s sevants dismissed
219. Rebecca McLendon
220. Amos Hutchingson
221. William Chennault
222. Nancy Chennault, Sen.
223. Fancy ?, a sevant of Jas H. Neal
224. Dolley, a sevant of Mrs ? Kirk?
225. Jef ? , a sevant of Beavers

226. Clary, a servant of Hutchinson, 227. Jane, a sevant of Wm. Oliver
228. Martha Lawley
229. Sarah Roberson
230. Mary Nutt
231. Phebe Mize
232. John Chennault, Sen.
233. Reubin Bowlin
234. Thomas B. Bagwell
135. John B. Obarr

136. Nancy Chennault, Jr. (MN Lowery)
237. ?
238. Samuel Thompkins
239. Eliza Thompkins
240. Isaac Howard
241. Marth Howard
242. Melinda Howard
243. Nancy Redding
244. Mary Armstrong (MN Bragg)
245. Lucinda Armstrong (MN Wilbrun)

246. Thomas Worthy
247. Lodema Pool (MN Sea??)
248. Priscilla Pool (MNMcLaughlin)
249. James Wyatt, Jr.
250. William Smith
251. Sister Smith

Resolutions & quarys & Rules altered

252. Eda Jacket or Sacket
253. Ursula, a sevant of Mrs. ? Hays
254. William Cain
255. Icey/ Bricey? McLendon

256. Felix G. Smith
257. Mary Smith
258. John Watson
259. Elizabeth Smith
260. Benjamin Smith
261. Sister Watson
262. Margaet Watson
263. Robert Kelley
264. Alexander Watson
265. Martha Isbell

266. William Watson
267. Bufford Moor
268. Alva H. McDonald
269. Melvina I. McDonald (MN Byers)
270. Elizabeth M. Pool (married Robert B. Jones)
271. Timothy McGuire
212. Mary A. Wyatt
273. J. J. Byers
274. Elizabeth Herring
275. John R. McDanal

276. Rebecca Hall
277. Henry Lowery
278 France Marion Hall??
279. James J.? Wyatt
280. Eliza Pool
281. Fr. Marion McDanal
282. Nathan McDanal
283, Elizabeth McDanal, Sen.
284. Elizabeth McDanal, Jr.
285. Anna Kelley (This is October 1849, as mentioned in the notes)

286. Isaac M. Pool
287. Napoleon McDanal
288. Lucinda McLaughlin
289. Marion McLaughlin
390. Bradley White
291. Samuel Wiles White
292. Nancy Glass
293. Alford M. Jones
294. Reuben Rodgers
295. Alexander Hall

296. Elizabeth Hall
297. Jeremiah W. McDanal, Jr.
298. James A. Moor
299. Henry Smith White
300. Mahaley McGuire (daughter of Davidson & Margaret McGuire. This is prior to 1850, as she was in parents’ household)
301. Martha Jane Hardin (MN Kelley)
302. Margaret C. Harden (MN Godwin)
303. Martha Jane Byram
304. Soophrona McDonald
305. Mary Caroline Byers (MN Moor)

306. Martha Mary Moor
307. Wilburn Little
308. Henry Little, Jun.
309. Caroline Hutton
310. Maryann Lowery
311. Sarah White
312. Charles Kelley (son of Charles Kelley, Sr. This is October 1849)
313. Esther White
314. Jane Whitfield
315. Raiborn Wyatt

316. Jane White (MN LIttle)
317. Marion Lowery
318. Eve, a sevant of Phebe McDanal
319. Phebe, a sevant of R. S.Sheperd
320. ??
321. James K. Byers
322. Arena (Ary) Byers
323. Mary McDanal, Sen.
324. Reuben, a sevant of R. S. Shephed
325. Lige, a sevant of N. McDanal

326. Z. W. H. Acton
327. Zilpha Acton
328. Elizabeth Bragg
329. Moren Bragg
330. Lanzalot Armstrong
331. Sarah Armstrong
332. Garland Jones
333. Willa Jones
334. Sarah Jones
335. Nancy Jones

336. Nicholas Hardin
337. William Acton
338. Elilzabeth Acton (his wife)
339. William Howard, Sen.
340. Hiram Armstrong
341. Green Berry Armstrong
342. Eliza E. McGuire
343. Elbert Armstrong
344. Pinckney Bass
345. Amanda Herring (wife of L. W. H.)

346. Lucyann Armstrong
347. Nancy White, Jr.
348. Sarah Lowery
349. Leonard Burrus McDonald
350. Eliza, a servant of R. S Shepherd
351. David Overton, Sen.
352. Samuel P. Byers
353. John Lowery
354. Mary Lowery, Jno’s wife
355. Jane H. Oliver

356. Anna Olive
357. Manson Glass
358. Margeret Lesley
359. John McGuire (son of Davidson & Margaret McGuire. This is on October 5, 1852)
360. Rachel McDonald
361. Elizabeth Byers or Byram
362. Mary, can’t read
363. Jefferson Weaver
364. Milly Lesley
365. Sarah Lowery

366. John Robert Goodwin
367. Colon Goodwin
368. Evan E. Moor
369. John J. McDanal
370. Mary L. Inzer
371. Macy C. Inzer
372. M. L. Inzer
373. Nancy Inzer, his wife
374. WIlliam M. Inzer
375. Iva, a servant of Isaac Johnson
376. Rebecca Howard
Demira Armstrong

December Term 1865
the following names is a list of the members that now belongs to Hebron Church

Males

Allen McDonald
D. P. White
W. H. McDanal
John McLaughlin
W.P. Herring
John R. McDanal
Samuel P . Byers
Samsom Glazer
John D. McDanal
M. L. Inzer
John Glass
Robert Little
Joseph Byrum
G. B. Franklin
John L. Massey
Rayburn Wyatt
Isaac Loney ?
J. B. Elard
Andrew J. Ellard
/ McDanal
W. I. McDonald
Robert W. McDanal
James H. White
? B. McDanal
Wiley Carton?

Females

Peby McDonald
Susan Herring
Louiza McDanal
Mary Hawkins
Mary Ann McDanal
Mary Worthy
Lodema Scott
Nancy Lowery
Marthy J. Courson
Saphrona Ellard
Marthy M. Herring
Easter White
Jane Little
Mary McDanall
Elizabeth Deshazo
Mary Easters
Nancy White
Nancy Inzer
Loucinda White
Sarry Byers
Margaret Elard (dismissed)
Arrena Owens
Tennifra Glass
Nancy Massey
Casady McDana
Elixa M. Massy
Mary E. McDanal
Malvina Lowery
Mary A. Byrum
Julan Hollinsworth
Nancy Loneys ?
Martha McDanal
Nancy McDonald
E. C. Byrum
J. G. McDonald
Mary McDonald
E. A . WHite
E. Owis
Sarah Massey
Martha Massey
Avaline ? McDanal
Martha McDanal, ?
?

(In the church records, there are notes in columns that follow each name. Below is a list of symbols that explain each note.
@ = Baptized

# = Received by letter

& = Restored

* = Dismissed by letter

$ = Excommunicated

∞ -= Dead

Davidson's land in Leeds

Isn't the Internet a wonderful thing?????

Through using books and the Internet we can now pinpoint where Davidson's land was.

Using Family Maps of Jefferson County: Homesteads Edition by Gregory A. Boyd, J.D. (Arphax Publishing Co. Www.Arphax.com), we learn that Davidson's land was located at Alabama's Twp 17-S, Range 1-E, Section 21 on the Huntsville meridian.

Next we go to Earthpoint.us/townships.aspx. Enter the coordinates as listed above. Press "enter." You will get the latitude and longitude of the section. Next ask to fly it on Google Earth. (You may have to add the free app.) When you do, the satellite pictures focus on the requested location BY MAGIC!!

The pinpoint is in the center of the section. Referring to Davidson's parcel on Family Maps, you can see that the parcel is to the right and just a bit lower than the pin. Which puts Davidson's land along a road along the outskirts of the big quarry and pits. This land is probably owned by the Portland Cement Company/Lehigh Cement. Lehigh Cement celebrated its 100th anniversary in 1997, according to a flyer on display at the Jonathon Bass House and Museum.

Why is this important?

In 1884 James McLaughlin got Davidson's heirs to sign off on their shares so he could sell the property. Guess where James's family's land was? You got it: same section as Davidson's. Guess who's located there now, too? Yup. Lehigh Cement.

Could Britta have come from St. Clair County?

In short, yes.

This trip to Alabama, I had the luck to visit the town of Leeds, where Davidson and Margaret lived, and where John L. was born. Leeds is one of only two towns in AL to be located in three counties: Shelby, Jefferson, and St. Clair. The city is located on the well-known Montevallo to Ashville stagecoach route. That's Route 411/119. I drove as far as Mt. Hebron Church, where Davidson, Margaret, John L., and other McGuires worshipped. It's about six miles south of town on the left hand side of the road in Jefferson County.

Turning around and heading north (actually northeast) along 119, I passed Deshazo Dr. on the right, Thomas Rowan's restored Rowan Oaks house on the left; Jonathon W. Bass's lovely gingerbread house on the right, all in Jefferson County. Going through the center of town, I passed into St. Clair County when 119 became 411 again. About four miles north of town was Bethel Church on the right.

Members earlier associated with Mt. Hebron founded Bethel Baptist Church in 1832. In fact, one of the reasons they gave for starting BBC was that that "it was too far to drive an ox cart to Hebron for services..." A quick history of BBC is located here:

http://www.stclaircountyal.com/history/history015.shtml

We know for a fact that Davidson's land was located near the current LeHigh Cement company. (See my recent post for the exact location and satellite image.) At the accepted rate of speed for a laden carriage and horse of four to eight miles per hour, Davidson and Margaret would have driven around an hour to get to church. It would have taken less time for them to go to BBC, but there is no proof that they ever did.

Back to Britta.

The first time we see her, she is living with her (probable) sister Mary Ann Green McKinney and brother-in-law J. P. McKinney in Shelby County in 1850. John P. is listed first, then Mary Ann, then all their children. Next comes Nancy Greene, 56, born NC, and finally Beauty or Britty Ann (McKinney--mistakenly). She is listed in a position usually associated with a sister of head of household and his family; she is also listed after Nancy, which may indicate that Nancy is her mother. But no family relationships are reported here.

In every following federal census, Britta's parents are listed as coming from either NC, SC, or both. Never GA or TN. Her obit states:

"She was a native Alabamian and was the widow of the late (B.A.?) Flynn,
of Gate City. Mrs. Flynn had spent practically all of her life in the
state- in the vicinity of Irondale and Gate City, and was very well
known in that region."

According to the federal censuses, she also lived in Shelby and Bibb Counties, as well as in Jefferson.

As far as I have been able to discover, there are no Greens or Greenes of the right ages and home states in Jefferson, Shelby, or Bibb Counties from 1850 on. There are, however, two Green families in St. Clair County who are the right ages and both partners come from either NC or SC. These are Abraham and Armetta Dill Green, and Burwell and Drucilla Jincey Crump Green. Both families have circumstantial ties to Britta, which I will explore in a future post.

And there are always the other possibilities, for example, that Nancy Greene is Britta's mother and her husband died prior to 1850, which is why Britta and Nancy are living with the McKinneys. Or that Nancy is the girls' aunt, and their parents died prior to 1850, leaving precious few clues to their identities.

But--is it POSSIBLE that Britta came from St. Clair County?

Considering the short distance to St. Clair from where she lived in 1860--

Considering the two pairs of the right ages and home states who match the profile of her parents in St. Clair at the right time--

Yes, it's possible.

More on Charles McGuire

My "smelly" cousin sent me a copy of Charles McGuire's first enlistment in the Confederate Army. He enlisted as a private in the "old" Company G, Alabama 5th Infantry on April 10, 1861, at Cahaba, AL. He was enlisted by C. C Pegues, a well-respected officer, who later commanded the unit. For the period of one year. Charles was discharged on June 15, 1861, at Montgomery, AL, but no reason given.

His father, Davidson, died in 1861. Maybe Charles went home to be with Davidson? He must have been home in November 1861, for his last son Charles T. McGuire was born in July 1862.

So Barbara MS was right about the first enlistment.

Charles must have enlisted again, because he later shows up in the Alabama 18th Company C with his brother John L. He died in an army hospital on May 24, 1863, and was buried in the Confederate Cemetery in Chatanooga, TN.

Where are those second enlistment papers? Neither Barbara MS or my "smelly" cousin or I have been able to find them. Maybe someday.

John L's devilish advocate

I asked my "smelly" cousin--and I mean that in a good sense because she makes soap--if she could give credence to my assertion that John L. McGuire might have been disabled. Here's her reply:

"OK now, I am just playing the devil's advocate here!"

Don't worry, I won't get mad. I asked for your opinion.

"It certainly *could* be true. But really it is just supposition unless you find a document saying he was disabled."

I agree, which is why I said 'definitely maybe."

"It's possible that he was in another unit before that one. I've seen that before. In one case, the man was discharged for a medical reason, then rejoined later with another unit. I believe I've also seen where a man just changed units. Technically, just because you can't find evidence of him being in another unit, it doesn't mean that he wasn't."

Good point, one I hadn't considered. Please see an upcoming post about Charles to see an example of this.

"But assume he joined for the first time in 1863. There might be several reasons for this. I imagine the pressure to join wasn't as strong early in the war, as it was later when the South wasn't doing so well. Towards the end, they were taking really young men and really old ones (and probably ones who were infirm, too)."

Yes, that fits with what I have read.

"'He had a family' wasn't a concern. Almost everybody who went to war from the South (and almost all of them did) had a family. I'm not sure how in the world they justified running off and leaving their families, but they did."

I just read today about a 40-year-old guy joining. Apparently age was less of an issue at that point than it is in today's professional Army. See the article below.

"Maybe he was a pacifist? (Unlikely.) Maybe he was an anti-secessionist or a loyalist? (Also unlikely, but you never know.) Maybe he had some ailment that prevented him from joining earlier? Maybe he didn't want to join, but was drafted? (They started a draft in 1862.)"

I just found a short article about Confederate conscription in the Civil War. Here it is:

"The first Confederate conscription law also applied to men between 18 and 35, providing for substitution (repealed Dec. 1863) and exemptions. A revision, approved 27 Sept. 1862, raised the age to 45; 5 days later the legislators passed the expanded Exemption Act. The Conscription Act of Feb. 1864 called all men between 17 and 50. Conscripts accounted for one-fourth to one-third of the Confederate armies east of the Mississippi between Apr. 1864 and early 1865."
Source: "Historical Times Encyclopedia of the Civil War" Edited by Patricia L. Faust

http://www.civilwarhome.com/conscription.htm

"After looking at his brothers, I thought maybe he joined after his brother Charles died in the war. But I have that date as May 1863, and John joined Feb 1, 1863. But Charles was also with Co C in the 18th, and also in Chattanooga. I can't find his service cards, so I'm not sure if he was also a guard with the Hospital or not. (John McGuire's are filed under John S McGann!)"

I already knew about the cards being filed under John S. McGann; these are in the microfilms at the BPL.

"The really odd thing to me is *where* John joined. From Cedar Grove, in Jackson county. What in the world was he doing up there?! I'm wondering if he joined that unit because that's where his brother was, and Cedar Grove was where he had to go to join that unit...? I really don't know."

That one I can answer:

"Leeds began as a small farming settlement around 1828 when the Cedar Grove Post Office was opened. Once the county line of Shelby and Jefferson Counties was changed, a new post office opened in 1869 and was called Oakridge. Later, in 1884, the Leeds post office was opened. Leeds was incorporated as a town in 1887. It was named for the city of Leeds in England."

http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountyleeds.htm

I still think the biggest indicator that John L. might have been disabled is that he enlisted as a hospital guard. The job was one of the dirtiest, smelliest jobs going, and certainly not taken by the best fighting men.

More on this debate in a later post!

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About Leeds, AL

This website has concise information about Leeds:

http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountyleeds.htm

Location

Leeds location: in central Alabama about 18 miles east of Birmingham. Other nearby communities include Moody, Trussville, Irondale, Grayson Valley, Chalkville, Center Point, Branchville and Margaret.

History

Leeds began as a small farming settlement around 1828 when the Cedar Grove Post Office was opened. Once the county line of Shelby and Jefferson Counties was changed, a new post office opened in 1869 and was called Oakridge. Later, in 1884, the Leeds post office was opened. Leeds was incorporated as a town in 1887. It was named for the city of Leeds in England. Once the railroad came into town, more growth occurred. In 1906, the Standard Portland Cement Co was opened further aiding the growth in the area.

Attractions

Leeds is one of two cities in the State of Alabama that is located in 3 counties - Shelby, Jefferson and St. Clair Counties. The predominant land area of Leeds is in Jefferson County. St. Clair County is the next largest with Shelby County having the smallest amount of land area in that county. The other city is Waverly.

Leeds, Alabama is a Tree City USA City

Was John L. McGuire disabled?

Was John L. McGuire disabled? Sounds crazy. But it's possible, even plausible.

Here's the short version:

John L. McGuire joined the 18th AL Infantry Company C in 1863 as a hospital guard. If he'd been able-bodied, he'd have joined the company as a fighting man in 1861 when it was formed. Also, hospital guards were usually people who were disabled, wounded, or otherwise not fit for combat, like the men in the Union Army's Invalid Corps/Veterans Reserves.

How did John L. become disabled? In 1851 Moses and Alphonso Johnson beat him so badly that he took them to court. The summons on file in the Shelby County Historical Society says that:

"{Moses and Alphonso Johnson did}make an assault and him the said John Maguire then and there did beat, wound and ill-treat and other wrongs to the said James Maguire then and there did to the great dameage of the said John Maguire."

So, was John L. McGuire disabled?

Maybe.

DEFINITELY maybe.

Here's the long version.

In checking my last post about Charles McGuire, I encountered some discrepancies that jolted me, and actually caused my brain to make a very logical connection between two ancestors who fought in the Civil War. John L. McGuire enlisted in the 18th Alabama, Company C. John Hushan enlisted in the New Jersey Infantry, 7th Regiment, Company F. John L. enlisted in either 1861 or 1863 and died in a prisoner of war camp at Rock Island, IL, in 1864. John Hushan was wounded, sent to the Invalid Corps/Veterans Reserves, survived the War and died in NJ in 1883.

In May 2007 Jessie J. (JessieJ@aol.com) wrote me that John L. McGuire enlisted in the 18th AL Company C on February 1, 1863, at Cedar Grove. His unit was called the Cahaba Valley Rangers. But another source lists the company formation as 1861, not 1863. Which is right? Did John L join up later, or did I transcribe it incorrectly, or what?

Several sources show that both the 18th Alabama and the Cahaba Valley Rangers were formed in 1861.

1. Alabama Her History, Resources, War Record and Public Men from 1540 to 1872 by Willis Brewer says: "{The 18th Alabama Infantry} ...regiment was organized at Auburn, Sept. 4, 1861, and the field officers were appointed by President Davis...."

As for the Cahaba Valley Rangers, they organized in 1861, too.

2. The Alabama Archives show that the file for the Cahaba Valley Rangers starts in 1861 (http://www.archives.alabama.gov/findaids/v31543fm.htm)

3. This source about the Lowery family says that Company "C" 18th Alabama Infantry - "Cahaba Valley Rangers" as organizing July 24, 1861 at Cedar Grove (Leeds) with men from Shelby, St. Clair, Jefferson, Autauga Counties. (http://wwlowery.tripod.com/csalowery.htm).

But that's a genealogy researcher, and they're not always reliable. Could this be true?

Probably, because:

4. James M. McLaughlin, head honcho of the CVR, received his commission in on August 30, 1861. (http://www.archives.state.al.us/civilwar/soldier.cfm?id=134401)

So both the 18th AL and Company C, the Cahaba Valley Rangers were definitely formed in 1861.

I asked Jessie J. for the source of John L.'s enlistment yesterday, July 11, and she kindly sent this back:

"Confederate Records:

{John L.}...joined Feb 1 1863 at Cedar Grove, Alabama as a hospital guard. Captured at Cassville, Georgia May 19, 1864. Taken to Nashville, TN and then on to Louisville, KY. May 25, 1864 he was transferred to Rock Island, Illinois. He was placed in the prison hospital where he died. [FHL 0880596]"

So her source is the Family History Library Item # 0880596. While FamilySearch.org family trees aren't always documented correctly, this is a microfilm/fiche created by the United States War Department Record and Pension Office with records from the National Archives. You'll find a link here:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=300893&disp=Compiled++service++records++of++Confeder%20%20&columns=*,0,0

I tend to trust this information.

So........

If the Cahaba Valley Rangers were formed in 1861, why did John L. wait until 1863 to enlist? First, he had a family. Second, in 1861 he was 27, older than the prime fighters of 16 - 25. Third, his social status was fairly high in that he was the son of a land owner, and maybe a land owner himself. And lastly, possibly, because he was disabled.

There's documentary evidence to show how he might have become disabled. You may recall that in 1851 John L. was so badly beaten by Moses and Alphonso Johnson that he took them to court in Shelby County. That beating might have seriously injured him and given him a limp, a bum arm, or something that made him less than prime cannon fodder. Yet John L. was definitely able to function: the 1860 US Census for AL lists him in Jefferson County as a farmer with a growing family.

The telling detail is that John L. enlisted as a hospital guard. The basis for this theory is my gggrandfather's John Hushan's experience in the Union Army. I'm quoting here from his Civil War records:

"...Transferred to Invalid Corps S.O. 130, HdQtrs 3rd AC {Army Corps} August 15, 1863--*so appears on roll."

The July-August muster roll goes a little further: "Transferred to invalid Corpts by order of Gen. French {Maj. General William H. French?}, SO {Special Order or Standing Order} 130 3rd AC {3rd Army Corps}, Aug 15/63, *so appears on roll."

The last page of his records is a muster out roll, dated....Oct. 7, 1864. The remarks state: "Transferred Aug. 15/63, Maj. Genl French, physical disability, Vet Reserve Corps."

The long article about the Invalid Corps/Veteran Resrves that follows says that "those of a minor degree of physical efficiency by reason of the loss of a hand or arm, foot or leg, were assigned to Companies of the Second Battalion, to be armed with side arms only, and were to be employed in Hospitals as Cooks, Nurses, Clerks, Orderlies, &c., and as Guards to Hospitals or other Public Buildings." The article is on the website of the NJ State Library; the link is here:

http://www.njstatelib.org/NJ_Information/Searchable_Publications/civilwar/NJCWn1460.html

So, what do you think?

Did John enlist in 1861 or 1863? Might he have been disabled?

So, was John L. McGuire disabled? Maybe.

Definitely maybe.

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About the Invalid Corps/Veteran Reserve Corps:

http://www.njstatelib.org/NJ_Information/Searchable_Publications/civilwar/NJCWn1460.html

"Under the provisions of General Orders No. 105, dated War Department, Adjutant General's Office, Washington, D. C., April 28, 1863, the organization of an Invalid Corps was authorized. The Corps was to consist of such Officers and enlisted Men of commands then in the field, as were unfit for active field service on account of wounds or disease contracted in the line of duty, as well as those who had been honorably discharged from the service by reason of wounds or disability contracted while in the line of duty; they being able and physically qualified for doing Garrison and other light Military duties away from actual field service. By virtue of the authority thus given, a large number of Officers and enlisted Men in the service, but absent from their commands, were transferred to and joined the Corps, and under the provisions of Circular No. 13, dated War Department, Provost Marshal General's Office, Washington, D. C., May 25, 1863, the Acting Assistant Provost Marshal of each State was directed to open a Recruiting Rendezvous for the Corps at or in the immediate vicinity of his Head Quarters, for the enrollment of such honorbly discharged men who desired to re-enter the service; the term of enlistment was to be for three years or during the war. Under the provisions of Circular No. 15, dated War Department, Provost Marshal General's Office, Washington, D. C., April 27, 1864, those who enlisted or re-enlisted in the Corps were to be credited upon the quota of the State, the same as other troops. The Corps was organized in Companies of two classes or Battalions - the men enlisted in or transferred to the Corps who were most efficient and able-bodied, capable of using the musket, performing Guard duty, or making light marches were assigned to Companies of the First Battalion, and were to be employed as Provost Guards, Guards in cities, &c., and were not liable to active campaigns with the Army in the field; those of a minor degree of physical efficiency by reason of the loss of a hand or arm, foot or leg, were assigned to Companies of the Second Battalion, to be armed with side arms only, and were to be employed in Hospitals as Cooks, Nurses, Clerks, Orderlies, &c., and as Guards to Hospitals or other Public Buildings. Officers desiring to re-enter the service in this branch, received their appointment and were commissioned direct from the War Department. Under the provisions of General Orders No. 111, dated War Department, Adjutant General's Office, Washington, D. C., March 18, 1864, the name of the organization was changed from Invalid Corps to Veteran Reserve Corps."

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