Genealogical postings about the family of Davidson McGuire & Margaret Kelley: ancestors and descendants, drunkards and teetotalers, scoundrels and saints
Sunday, May 29, 2011
Could Britta have come from St. Clair County?
This trip to Alabama, I had the luck to visit the town of Leeds, where Davidson and Margaret lived, and where John L. was born. Leeds is one of only two towns in AL to be located in three counties: Shelby, Jefferson, and St. Clair. The city is located on the well-known Montevallo to Ashville stagecoach route. That's Route 411/119. I drove as far as Mt. Hebron Church, where Davidson, Margaret, John L., and other McGuires worshipped. It's about six miles south of town on the left hand side of the road in Jefferson County.
Turning around and heading north (actually northeast) along 119, I passed Deshazo Dr. on the right, Thomas Rowan's restored Rowan Oaks house on the left; Jonathon W. Bass's lovely gingerbread house on the right, all in Jefferson County. Going through the center of town, I passed into St. Clair County when 119 became 411 again. About four miles north of town was Bethel Church on the right.
Members earlier associated with Mt. Hebron founded Bethel Baptist Church in 1832. In fact, one of the reasons they gave for starting BBC was that that "it was too far to drive an ox cart to Hebron for services..." A quick history of BBC is located here:
http://www.stclaircountyal.com/history/history015.shtml
We know for a fact that Davidson's land was located near the current LeHigh Cement company. (See my recent post for the exact location and satellite image.) At the accepted rate of speed for a laden carriage and horse of four to eight miles per hour, Davidson and Margaret would have driven around an hour to get to church. It would have taken less time for them to go to BBC, but there is no proof that they ever did.
Back to Britta.
The first time we see her, she is living with her (probable) sister Mary Ann Green McKinney and brother-in-law J. P. McKinney in Shelby County in 1850. John P. is listed first, then Mary Ann, then all their children. Next comes Nancy Greene, 56, born NC, and finally Beauty or Britty Ann (McKinney--mistakenly). She is listed in a position usually associated with a sister of head of household and his family; she is also listed after Nancy, which may indicate that Nancy is her mother. But no family relationships are reported here.
In every following federal census, Britta's parents are listed as coming from either NC, SC, or both. Never GA or TN. Her obit states:
"She was a native Alabamian and was the widow of the late (B.A.?) Flynn,
of Gate City. Mrs. Flynn had spent practically all of her life in the
state- in the vicinity of Irondale and Gate City, and was very well
known in that region."
According to the federal censuses, she also lived in Shelby and Bibb Counties, as well as in Jefferson.
As far as I have been able to discover, there are no Greens or Greenes of the right ages and home states in Jefferson, Shelby, or Bibb Counties from 1850 on. There are, however, two Green families in St. Clair County who are the right ages and both partners come from either NC or SC. These are Abraham and Armetta Dill Green, and Burwell and Drucilla Jincey Crump Green. Both families have circumstantial ties to Britta, which I will explore in a future post.
And there are always the other possibilities, for example, that Nancy Greene is Britta's mother and her husband died prior to 1850, which is why Britta and Nancy are living with the McKinneys. Or that Nancy is the girls' aunt, and their parents died prior to 1850, leaving precious few clues to their identities.
But--is it POSSIBLE that Britta came from St. Clair County?
Considering the short distance to St. Clair from where she lived in 1860--
Considering the two pairs of the right ages and home states who match the profile of her parents in St. Clair at the right time--
Yes, it's possible.
Thursday, July 15, 2010
More on Charles McGuire
Monday, July 12, 2010
John L's devilish advocate
"It certainly *could* be true. But really it is just supposition unless you find a document saying he was disabled."
"It's possible that he was in another unit before that one. I've seen that before. In one case, the man was discharged for a medical reason, then rejoined later with another unit. I believe I've also seen where a man just changed units. Technically, just because you can't find evidence of him being in another unit, it doesn't mean that he wasn't."
"But assume he joined for the first time in 1863. There might be several reasons for this. I imagine the pressure to join wasn't as strong early in the war, as it was later when the South wasn't doing so well. Towards the end, they were taking really young men and really old ones (and probably ones who were infirm, too)."
"'He had a family' wasn't a concern. Almost everybody who went to war from the South (and almost all of them did) had a family. I'm not sure how in the world they justified running off and leaving their families, but they did."
"Maybe he was a pacifist? (Unlikely.) Maybe he was an anti-secessionist or a loyalist? (Also unlikely, but you never know.) Maybe he had some ailment that prevented him from joining earlier? Maybe he didn't want to join, but was drafted? (They started a draft in 1862.)"
Source: "Historical Times Encyclopedia of the Civil War" Edited by Patricia L. Faust
"After looking at his brothers, I thought maybe he joined after his brother Charles died in the war. But I have that date as May 1863, and John joined Feb 1, 1863. But Charles was also with Co C in the 18th, and also in Chattanooga. I can't find his service cards, so I'm not sure if he was also a guard with the Hospital or not. (John McGuire's are filed under John S McGann!)"
Sunday, July 11, 2010
About Leeds, AL
This website has concise information about Leeds:
http://www.usacitiesonline.com/alcountyleeds.htm
Leeds location: in central Alabama about 18 miles east of Birmingham. Other nearby communities include Moody, Trussville, Irondale, Grayson Valley, Chalkville, Center Point, Branchville and Margaret.
History
Leeds began as a small farming settlement around 1828 when the Cedar Grove Post Office was opened. Once the county line of Shelby and Jefferson Counties was changed, a new post office opened in 1869 and was called Oakridge. Later, in 1884, the Leeds post office was opened. Leeds was incorporated as a town in 1887. It was named for the city of Leeds in England. Once the railroad came into town, more growth occurred. In 1906, the Standard Portland Cement Co was opened further aiding the growth in the area.
Leeds is one of two cities in the State of Alabama that is located in 3 counties - Shelby, Jefferson and St. Clair Counties. The predominant land area of Leeds is in Jefferson County. St. Clair County is the next largest with Shelby County having the smallest amount of land area in that county. The other city is Waverly.
Leeds, Alabama is a Tree City USA City
Saturday, July 10, 2010
Was John L. McGuire disabled?
Monday, July 5, 2010
The life of Charles McGuire
http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/Image.asp?PatentDocClassCode=MW&Accession=0869%2D139&Format=SmallGIF&Page=1&Index=4&QryID=51988%2E36
"I found Charles McGuire as a Private in the 5th Alabama Infantry Company F when he first enlisted in the Confederate Army. This is the web site:
http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/Personz_Detail.cfm
Later, members of this Company may have joined the 18th Alabama Regiment C. He is listed as being a member of this unit at the the following web site:
http://www.archives.state.al.un/civilwar/soldier.cfm?id=115206
(Note: when I checked those URLs today, the links didn't work. I'll check with Barbara and see if we can find the current, correct links.)
Charles died in a Confederate hospital in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I have been able to narrow down the information to MY Charles due to a private journal written by a nurse at that hospital. She recorded that Charles McGuire of the 18th Alabama Regiment C died today (May 24, 1863). His wife lives in St. Clair County, Alabama..."
By the way, if you search microfilm of the general index cards or the enlistment papers, you will be disappointed. Only the front page of Charles' paperwork is recorded. I looked forwards and backward to be sure his papers were not mixed in with another McGuire. No such luck...Happy hunting."
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?strength::mcguire::3922.html
Sunday, July 4, 2010
My most often cited sources
http://files.usgwarchives.net/al/shelby/bibles/bb9.txt
• The records of the Mt.Hebron Baptist Church at Samford University.
• Various documents at the Shelby County Historical Society. Their webpage is here:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alshelby/shelby1.html
On the webpage you'll find many searchable databases such as marriage indexes, court cases, mortality schedules, and so on. You'll also find a gazillion indexes to wills, guardianship papers, censuses.
• The federal and state censuses and the mortality schedules at Ancestry.com. Still the best genealogy website as far as I am concerned.
• The message boards at Genforum.com, Rootsweb.com, and Ancestry.com. I have found so many leads and broken through so many walls there. For example, I found the husband of Susan McKinney, niece of Britta Ann Green, by reading the Lemley message board at Rootsweb.com. His middle name was Pinkney; all I knew was James P. Lemley. But he was called "Pink," so I was able to find him in several other censuses.